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05-30-2015, 08:27 AM | #19481 |
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Yeah probably something like SHIELD agents.
I am more recently trying to learn more on a joint task force set up, but I admit I don't still know enough of how those are set up. The Joes rarely operate in Europe or North America. I see them chasing down terrorists in their hideouts or acting as advisors in the middle of a war like against ISIS. This is where I see them interacting with Cobra. Cobra is more of a large multi-national private military contractor. This sometimes puts them at odds against the Joes or reluctant allies. Cobra tends to do the same thing as the Joes but in even uglier places. Places America is not politically ready to get involved with. If say Bashir called them up to cleanup Alleppo then they show up right in the middle of it all. They sometimes get in trouble for being worse than whatever rebel force or narco-terrorists you are trying to get rid of But they get the job done. Then the CGs move in and start setting up lucrative deals for Arbco industries, particularly oil and gas rights and mining. They use the turmoil to help set up a new government with their handpicked cabinet minister on the payroll. The force that shows up at your door is a locally franchised organization so this is how Cobra avoids trouble when its men act in unsavory ways. Some local guy say the president's cousin buys the rights to one of Cobra's subsidiaries, Red Shadows, Skull Squad, etc. So he takes all the heat if there is any. Next thing you know Skullbuster shows up at your door with a battalion of Range-Vipers, Rock-Vipers, Desert Scorpions and starts cleaning house. Interrogator is there to get whatever information he needs to help root out the terrorists or rebels, and once they get started the local populace usually gets onboard. Some out of fear but mostly because they are seeing results. That being said there is usually a lot of collateral damage and public executions. Fight fire with fire is a Cobra Motto. That is very similar to how I picture G.I.Joe and Cobra's relationship...at odds with each other and sometimes reluctantly assisting each other. I like that idea of Cobra assisting Syria in their fight against ISIS and the other rebel groups. In my Joe-verse MARS and Arbco/Cobra have a working relationship where MARS sells weapons to some country and will arrange (via the Iron Grenadiers) to have the shipment stolen. That's where Arbco steps in and offers their services to that country to procure the weapons back. The actual Arbco contractors are unaware of the shady side of this arrangement, however, some of those that go on to join Cobra are aware. My first (and largely incomplete) fanfic has MARS selling weapons to the government of Nigeria. An Iron Grenadier agent secretly meets with a Nigerian arms dealer (who sells his goods to Boko Harum) to steal the weapons shipment. Upon "hearing" about it Arbco submitted their services to retrieve the weapons back. With some shady business conducted by Destro and Scarface though Arbco is passed up the job in favor of G.I.Joe. |
05-30-2015, 08:46 AM | #19482 |
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Also since this is a thread about filecards I figured I would discuss my favorite Joe...Stalker. It seems the consensus is he is Special Forces. In my Joe-verse I have made him a Special Forces Medic. He has too many other skills listed on his original filecard that strongly make the case for it (Intelligence School and Languages being the other ones). However I still want to make Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker as having served together in some Army unit (not Vietnam-era as I am making my Joes modern era). I figured a Ranger Reconnaissance Company would be perfect for them. However does Stalker go on to be a SF Medic afterwards? Not sure how feasible that would be since he probably already has a lot of vested skills going into an RRC (as I would believe). Or do I make him Ranger-qualifed but going straight into SF? Obvioulsy if I went this route then SS and SE would have to be former SF as well (since I want them to server in the same unit).
So my different scenarios with Stalker are: Starts out in a RRC with SE and SS. Moves on to SF. SS and SE do not follow suit. Starts out in a RRC with SE and SS. Moves on to SF. SS and SE follow suit. I am not sure how feasible it would be for three guys from the same unit to move from one elite unit to another though. Make him Ranger-qualified and just going straight into SF where he serves with SE and SS. Also since SE is listed as being trained in underwater demolitions (so obviously a combat diver) would Stalker also be SCUBA/Rebreather-qualified as well? Especially since RRC's and SF's groups are categorized in SCUBA and HALO groups? If they served on the same unit then chances are he would be. |
05-30-2015, 09:38 AM | #19483 |
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I suppose you can go any route. It's all fantasy so make it fantastic. I would guess not many guys go Rangers then Special Forces then Delta. I would they would pick one of the two after Rangers. Why not have them do Rangers Recon Company first then all go Special Forces but separate units at first. Mybe Stalker goes first and goes HALO I think he's a parachute rigger on one filecard. SS and SE JOIN later and they all work togea second time. Maybe meet Ripcord here. Then Stalker and Duke who i am sure they would know, go on to form GIJoe with Hawk. SE goes SCUBA, SS can go where you like.
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05-30-2015, 10:27 AM | #19484 |
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Many Rangers go into Special Forces so I think it's very feasible to have Stalker serve with an RRC before joining an SFODA. There's also LRSU--the modern version of LRP--that are true long-range divisional recon assets, and the team leaders and above are required to attend Ranger school, so Stalker could go that route too.
As for the Posse Comitatus Act, this is something that raised its head when I started working on a story where Cobra is operating on American soil, but there are exceptions to the act where the military can be used to suppress rebellion or insurrection (Cobra in Springfield) or assist law enforcement in situations beyond their capacity or simply defend against an invasion. |
05-30-2015, 11:25 AM | #19485 |
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A way around I considered (though I ended up going a different route) was to have Joe seconded to the ATF. They deal less with problems concerning alcohol and tobacco, and focus more on problems concerning firearms and explosives. Plus, they get to work on US soil if required.
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05-30-2015, 05:03 PM | #19486 |
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I suppose you can go any route. It's all fantasy so make it fantastic. I would guess not many guys go Rangers then Special Forces then Delta. I would they would pick one of the two after Rangers. Why not have them do Rangers Recon Company first then all go Special Forces but separate units at first. Mybe Stalker goes first and goes HALO I think he's a parachute rigger on one filecard. SS and SE JOIN later and they all work togea second time. Maybe meet Ripcord here. Then Stalker and Duke who i am sure they would know, go on to form GIJoe with Hawk. SE goes SCUBA, SS can go where you like.
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Many Rangers go into Special Forces so I think it's very feasible to have Stalker serve with an RRC before joining an SFODA. There's also LRSU--the modern version of LRP--that are true long-range divisional recon assets, and the team leaders and above are required to attend Ranger school, so Stalker could go that route too.
As for the Posse Comitatus Act, this is something that raised its head when I started working on a story where Cobra is operating on American soil, but there are exceptions to the act where the military can be used to suppress rebellion or insurrection (Cobra in Springfield) or assist law enforcement in situations beyond their capacity or simply defend against an invasion. Quote:
A way around I considered (though I ended up going a different route) was to have Joe seconded to the ATF. They deal less with problems concerning alcohol and tobacco, and focus more on problems concerning firearms and explosives. Plus, they get to work on US soil if required.
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05-30-2015, 06:11 PM | #19487 |
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05-30-2015, 07:55 PM | #19488 |
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I was under the impression that the RRC was the modern day version of LRRP's? Or that LRSU's were to regular units that the RRC is to the 75th Rangers? In other words I thought they did similar jobs. I am not sure but it almost seems that soldiers in the RRC are both SCUBA and HALO qualified whereas LRSU soldiers are one or the other? I might be mistaken though.
I thought of having the Joes divided between DoD members and DoHS members. Maybe someone like Bullhorn (who is most likely FBI) could operate on U.S. soil whereas someone like Grunt could not. So maybe they have units from both sides. Although I would imagine that would be an administration nightmare.... As for combining mil and police units, that's already sort of happening, with the FBI HRT having people kicking in doors alongside Delta, and likely also collecting evidence and exercising powers of arrest, which Delta doesn't have. Inside the FBI’s secret relationship with the military’s special operations - The Washington Post |
05-30-2015, 10:07 PM | #19489 |
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I thought of having the Joes divided between DoD members and DoHS members. Maybe someone like Bullhorn (who is most likely FBI) could operate on U.S. soil whereas someone like Grunt could not. So maybe they have units from both sides. Although I would imagine that would be an administration nightmare....
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05-31-2015, 06:55 AM | #19490 |
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Good points. Do you remember which filecard of Stalker's indicated he was also a parachute rigger?
I was under the impression that the RRC was the modern day version of LRRP's? Or that LRSU's were to regular units that the RRC is to the 75th Rangers? In other words I thought they did similar jobs. I am not sure but it almost seems that soldiers in the RRC are both SCUBA and HALO qualified whereas LRSU soldiers are one or the other? I might be mistaken though. .... Also, even though I haven't seen a TOE for RRC I doubt one team specializes in both scuba and HALO. Usually specializes in one or the other. This reduces the retraining time of the unit. Even Special Forces Detachments are trained in one type or the other insertion skill. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 05-31-2015 at 07:04 AM.. |
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