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08-13-2009, 04:15 PM | #51 |
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Anyone seen Brick? He's incredible in that, and I'd highly recommend it. Really, Levitt has become an incredible actor, opinions on Cobra Commander notwithstanding. Judging by his looks and his other excellent work, I think he would make a great Joker if they wanna bring the character back in another Batman movie.
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08-13-2009, 06:30 PM | #52 |
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Okay, I agree that Casper Van Dien has not shown any range but that does not mean he does not have it. You cant say that one actor has potential but one doesn't........I mean unless you are going by opinion and not intelligence...... which one are we talking about here? The intelligent statement is that any actor, director, writer and or producer can rise above their brand and create an Oscar worthy project. But they have to have all the right pieces in place. But enough about him as I don't really feel the need to teach you about the ability of an actor and what range is all about. With that said keep in mind even Pacino thought Dick Tracy was a good idea........ far from Michael Corleone!
JGL did not and will not receive any recognition outside a Razzie for his role as Cobra Commander if even that. He came across as weak and very silly. Not a menacing Villain and I can assure you that AFI is not going to be adjusting their top villains for him. But seriously, there was no hint at any depth in this character nor did he portray it that way. He came off as a weak mans Joker. He is a C-list actor that cannot carry a film nor is he sought after. Can he act........ yes. Is he a great actor, Uhm NO! But neither is Casper Van Diem! As far as judging who is talented the argument is moot unless we go by some criteria........ so you give me any criteria you want outside of your own opinion......... Hell if you want to throw a poll up and ask our fellow Tankers who had the better performance I still say Heath wins.......... care to take that wager? And again as far as Channing Tatum is concerned.........he has won awards so he must be doing something rigth! As for awards and recognition, the movie was released less than a week ago. I never said that he was a better or more popular actor than Heath. I just said that, given the material, I find his chops to be comparable. Are you flunking me on my taste test? It's like everytime I start up a light discussion, some intrepid tanker comes along and tries to convince me that I'm arguing with them. Recognition is not an idicator of integrity, otherwise Michael Bay wouldn't make terrible movies that suck up gobs of cash.
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08-13-2009, 06:33 PM | #53 |
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uh, not even remotely. Ledger was a talented compelling actor. Levitt has has a long way to go before he is even slightly interesting.
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08-13-2009, 06:48 PM | #54 |
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Anyone seen Brick? He's incredible in that, and I'd highly recommend it. Really, Levitt has become an incredible actor, opinions on Cobra Commander notwithstanding. Judging by his looks and his other excellent work, I think he would make a great Joker if they wanna bring the character back in another Batman movie.
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08-13-2009, 06:51 PM | #55 |
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08-13-2009, 07:01 PM | #56 |
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i got that same feeling as well. his performance did have a little ledger feel to it, not as good as ledger's joker but def could see him trying hard to put the same effort into the role.
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08-13-2009, 07:55 PM | #57 |
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Any discussion of talent comes back to opinion. Talent can not be measured or quantified. My opinion differing from yours has no bearing on my intelligence. And don't take this the wrong way, but you can't teach me anything about acting.
As for awards and recognition, the movie was released less than a week ago. I never said that he was a better or more popular actor than Heath. I just said that, given the material, I find his chops to be comparable. Are you flunking me on my taste test? It's like everytime I start up a light discussion, some intrepid tanker comes along and tries to convince me that I'm arguing with them. Recognition is not an idicator of integrity, otherwise Michael Bay wouldn't make terrible movies that suck up gobs of cash. |
08-13-2009, 08:15 PM | #58 |
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"Levitt was very good with what the character was supposed to be."
LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC! Actualy, I thought he stunk @ playing CC. LOGIC |
08-13-2009, 08:19 PM | #59 |
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They are both ham actors with two slices of cheese. So yeah, I could see that! Ham sandwich, double cheese.
And the portrayal of Joker in Dark Knight wasn't even close to the Joker. Excellent examples of taking a classic moody villain and making them a 2 dimensional cardboard cutout for Hollywood. Shame on both of these men for taking these roles. Shame. |
08-13-2009, 08:39 PM | #60 |
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don't take everything so personal..... its all good natured ribbing...... you sound like you are going to cry with that statement " It's like everytime I start up a light discussion, some intrepid tanker comes along and tries to convince me that I'm arguing with them." or more accurately you sound like a little girl who just got her hair pulled on the school playground..lol... don't upset yourself...... its just as lively debate. But I will tell you what, I will leave the discussion as is. You have your opinion which to me is wrong and I have my opinion which to me is right! I'm teasing you again.........anyway, take care.......
Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker is wildly overrated. The Batman reboots, as good as they are in their own right, represent a slightly pretentious level of self-seriousness. Not as bad as the first Hulk movie, but Batman and his crew pull a lot of respect right off the top. Yes, he prepared for the role and yes, he changed his voice and acted all funny. That's who the Joker is. He had a really good script which gave his character a lot of facetime for a villain. He also died working on the project which catapulted an actor in his second buzzworthy role over the goal post and the stands and over the parking lot into mythic status. Like James Dean or any of those others who burned out bright. It was a shame that he died and I wish he hadn't because I'd like to see him in that role again, but his death certainly did not hurt that film's box office. Now, Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a good, solid actor with chops. He grew up in the industry and he understands what it is to play an over-the-top villain. He was in a movie that had been condemned since it's announcement. He developed a unique style of movement, a voice and mannerisms for his character. But this is Stephen Sommers GI Joe, not Chris Nolan's Dark Knight. This movie is for kids and that one was for serious, cerebral adults and teenagers. (I know it's rated PG-13 but the toys are like, 5 and up.) Levitt was part of an ensemble cast with 6 major villains and the same number of heroes. Now, if you want to use the STYLE of film to break down the performance rather than the genre (because these two exceedingly different films are considered to be a sort of Macy's and Wal-Mart of the same genre) a more fair set of films to compare GI Joe to would be the X-Men franchise. Loved X-Men. Loved old-ass Ian McKellan as Magneto. Enjoyed watching Levitt MUCH more. But we're not, we're seeing if Levitt is evocative of Ledger. The answer? Kinda. Zigga304 nailed it saying that he put the same effort into it. Frankly, I thought he was every bit as entertaining as Ledger playing the Joker. You want me to explain why? The makup was really good. The voice was amazing. He found a slight sibilance and did a lower version of the CC rasp, similar to Latta's earliest commercial work on CC. He moved like a man who had recovered from serious injuries. He delivered his lines as an intelligent, reasoning man with a wildly skewed view of reality. Everything about his delivery and mannerisms said this to me. I think the reason that some found it "cheesy" (like GI Joe isn't MOSTLY cheese) was that he was actually acting a bit ABOVE the material. He was a little more intense than the material, and I thought it was GREAT. He was the best part of that movie for me, and I PROMISE you I fully expected to hate both CC and him. But I didn't. Do I think this was an Oscar-worthy performance? Nuh-uh. Do I think JGL is capable of delivering one? Uh-huh.
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