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View Poll Results: Who's the better Punisher? Ray Stevenson or Thomas Jane? | |||
Ray Stevenson | 61 | 51.26% | |
Thomas Jane | 58 | 48.74% | |
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07-05-2009, 03:15 PM | #21 |
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Thomas Jane is the better actor, but warzone was a better film as far as achieving the Punisher feel.
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07-05-2009, 03:35 PM | #22 |
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Thomas Jane all the way. i loved the store and how he was as it was when he first became Punisher. you have to get the dvd as it adds to the story.
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07-05-2009, 03:58 PM | #23 |
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Yo' welcome!
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07-05-2009, 04:03 PM | #24 |
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The Punisher, as a story, kind of runs itself right into the ground. (As with the aforementioned Death Wish parallel) Ray Stevenson's was a good portrayal of the MAX Punisher tone with the John Romita Jr. style for the character. Thomas Jane's Punisher looked a bit more like Mike Zeck or Jim Lee's portrayal, but the story was so overburdened by trying to jam Garth Ennis' "Welcome Back Frank" story into his origin it became a mess. The story suffered from a sort of inward folding of continuity that made the character a bastardization of different eras of his own development.
Plus I never saw Frank pick up a bottle in the comics that he wasn't caving in a skull with. The best Punisher, by far, is Dolph Lundgren. He was huge, had the martial arts training and he captured the full emotional range of the character more succinctly than any since. The changes that were made were made with good reason. If you put the Punisher in white boots and gloves and have him roaming the streets fighting random thugs, you have to introduce him in a Spider-Man movie so the audience can think he looks less silly. SO he had a Harley. So he didn't wear a target on his chest. So he had a painted beard. He fought like a million Ninjas at once and outran a van. That's all I need from Frank. The other direction one could go would bring up the same problems that make Joe comic origins unusable for a movie done in a modern setting. The core stories are so Vietnam-centric that in order for the characters to really BE themselves, they'd have to take place in the 70's or 80's. Personally? I'd put him in the suit and set it in the seventies. Make him exactly what he was born to be: a lunatic Marine Nam-Vet who, when faced with the murder of his family, cannot satisfy his need for revenge. And wears a freaky halloween suit. |
07-05-2009, 04:03 PM | #25 |
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I have not seen Warzone yet, but I really liked Thomas Jane in the second film. I can say he's better than Ivan Drago. I always thought an older actor like Clint Eastwood or the late Charles Bronson would have rocked at that role before Dolph took it. I will eventually see War Zone, but it may be a while.
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07-05-2009, 04:09 PM | #26 |
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Thomas Jane is a great actor but his Punisher flick was awful. You could tell that the writers and producers wanted to make Frank Castle into a normal guy. The new movie's story sucked but Ray Stevenson was a great Punisher. Hell Ray was a perfect Punisher. It's too bad that he got stuck in that train wreck of a movie.
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07-05-2009, 08:00 PM | #27 |
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I'll have to check it out. That's one I missed.
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07-06-2009, 02:07 AM | #28 |
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Ray Stevenson is The Punisher!!! Thomas Jane did a good job but the film had a good story but poor execution...
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07-06-2009, 07:10 AM | #29 |
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They should've made a Punisher film with simply flashbacks similar to Batman Begins. That way, it's not a typical origin story.
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07-10-2009, 08:36 AM | #30 |
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I've always wanted to see more of Year One incorporated into an origins story. The scene where Frank Castle wakes up in a body bag screaming and taking out several of New York's finest is haunting. I'd also love to see a big screen adaption of his first mini-series. I want to see him as the big dog in Rykers Island.
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