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11-17-2017, 10:58 AM | #21 |
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I wasn’t saying I wanted it to match or surpass SS. I meant that, like Suicide Squad, the movie could dominate the box office in spite of critic and fan hatred. Your comment that the movie cannot possible succeed is a bit absurd. Of course it can if enough people want to see it.
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11-17-2017, 11:25 AM | #22 |
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So, in other words, films today have more opportunities for making money than they used to. |
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11-17-2017, 12:33 PM | #23 |
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In this case, EVERYBODY knows who Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Superman are. Cyborg may not be a household name, but my kids certainly love him in Teen Titans Go.
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11-17-2017, 08:54 PM | #24 |
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a Justice League Movie?so unlikely its hard to believe it will ever happen.....even moreso it will NEVER beat the way Avengers was done.and Avengers kicked Spider Man 2 ass all over the planet.Raimis penchant to make all his Villians basically good people RUINED Doc Ock.
I also enjoyed Avengers more than Dark Knight.and thats coming from a huge Batmark Im also not "out of my fucking mind". heres the main reasons JL is unlikely.despite the MASSIVE advantage DC/WB have over everyone else. 1)DCs internal structure is a nightmare.a series of departments feuding over character use.Bruce Timm had this nightmare several times on JLU and so did the producers of Smallville/The Batman.Timm wasnt allowed use Aquaman at ALL in JLU season 4 because he MIGHT get his own show on CW....confused?I know I was.The Batman makers were not allowed use Scarecrow or Ras because of Batman Begins?you would think the more exposure the better no?and what about all the times Smallville wanted to feature Diana or Bruce Wayne?vetoed by the respective depts that control the characters with DC/WB media division 2)DC/WB have NO interest in WW,Aquaman or MM.see aborted TV pilots for their level of interest in the first two.Joss Whedon even said they were impossible to reason with concerning a WW movie.also note the "effort"that was put into the WW and Aquaman tv shows.WB have their own network for Fuck sake.....and they still couldnt get behind these 2. 3)they actually thought the bag of crap Miller pitched them a few years ago was a good idea........that shook me to the core of my person that ANYONE at WB thought that could work. 4)GL was the perfect jumping on point for this franchise(and many thought it was originally supposed to be)but they have said repeatedly they wont follow MS(brilliance)formula.why?who can say.it makes no sense to anyone except them.if the formula works and they get a top all time 5 grossing film who gives one chocolate fuck who they copied? 5)once it isnt Batman-they dont care.even Superman doesnt make them smile.Superman Returns had a GREAT opening weekend but it was viewed as a dissapointment by the suits........and if MOS doesnt have a effin epic opening weekend its likelyness to continue will be in serious doubt.....even Nolan wont be able to save it if it doesnt perform. 6)The Dark Knight has given DC/WB furiously unrealistic expectations.they need to realise that this movie had tons going for it aside from Nolans brilliance.I hope DKR box office is healthy enough to please them. 7)where is the Flash movie?I tell ya where it is-shelved in development hell because GL didnt have a 70 mill + opening weekend....... I could continue but wont.its too devastating for me as a DC fan to list their INCREDIBLE handicap getting their people on the big screen. Ive always been a 50/50 guy concerning DC/Marvel.no doubt whos winning the battle at the moment on the big screen. http://www.hisstank.com/forum/newrep...eply&p=3671988 Quote:
OK, let's start from the very begin!
DC comics are a mess, 'cause they never had a professional figure Marvel Comics created ages ago... the Editor-in-Chief! This guy controls all continuity issues generated by decades of stories; Marvel needs him very bad, because Marvel Universe is rarely rebooted, its time flow 3/4 times slower than ours. However, for the Avengers movies (the Marvel Movies phase 1) Marvel Comics finally decided, after almost 10 years of leaving its movies' control to Hollywood studios, they should create Marvel Studios to exercise a rigid control on their stuff. Basically, Marvel Studios is the cinema version of an Editor-in-Chief. DC Comics never worried about continuity very much, they reboot DC Universe almost every decade; but this generates much confusion. For example, the New 52 reboot sees Batman fighting his war against crime, while during "Death in the Family" his biological son Damian gets killed, leaving him devastated! After this, a new arc begins taking place during his early days as Dark Knight (Zero Year)! Meanwhile, on Catwoman, (Selina Kyle,) takes care of her business and occasionally flirts and has sex with the Bat! Two totally different views of the character, 'cause they are written by 2 writers who know nothing about the other's work. When DC was acquired by Time Warner, Warner Bros became the referent for DC movie comics; however, DC still leaves much autonomy to Warner and writers; i say they should take an stronger grip on their chars, so DC.. create a DC Movies Studio or something like that... About little known chars or not very done heroes, remember it's quite difficult build a story and draw a good portrait of a superhero; here there's another difference between Marvel and DC; marvel invented the "superhero equals superproblems" formula, where DC created modern miths; Avengers and the X-Men saga are the sons of this thought; during 80s and 90s that didn't work, now it does; i believe the real change was in the audience; The Dark Knight and Man of Steel took this message and had a great reception. However, not every char can work at cinema; that's why DC worked on TV shows: the Flash 90s show, Arrow, a new Flash trying reboot (they even put Barry Allen in Arrow working with Oliver Queen, and TV news often talk about a new particle accelerator in Central City), the failed Wonder Woman pilot (where she didn't fly, 'cause producers want her a bit more human) and so on.. Green Lantern performed good, but under Warner expectations; lets admit, for some people it's just a question of money! Unfortunately... it went as it went... and now further projects are in hold (that's the better chance) Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy was almost out of comic book movies, a drama than comics. Now DC must reboot him again before thinking a crossover movie; remember Marvel spend a decade designing the Avengers initiative, building situations, behavious, origins, changes of characteristics.. to assemble different guys into a team; i'll cite Phil Coulson: they need something to be united. Justice League is no different; read the New 52 Justice League arc; there are 3 leagues, people! 3 leagues, to appeal many tastes: Justice League is like the classic comic Avengers, Justice League of America sounds more as the Marvel Ultimates, Justice League Dark works on supernatural; DC spend 2 years to unite them into the "FOREVER EVIL" crossover whatever DC does, it won't be out before some years, so relax and pray, or despair, what you prefer... About Batman and other chars, the trouble is Bruce Wayne is an average man: no powers, no armors, no alien origins, no godlike legacy... maybe that's the characteristic it makes him appealing to audience; the others usually have something more; Arrow was saved by his humanity, and also by using many Bat-stereotypes: good-to-nothing, rebel sidekick, a mysterious past, double life, he favorites dark, gadgets, the League of Assassins (yeah, even this), a former girlfriend turned attorney-at-law... The only way a super powered hero can conquer simpathy is being humble; Marvel's Spiderman is this way from his first steps in 1962, and watch where he arrived last note: Arrow is developed, betwwen others, by Marc Guggenheim, a professional of comics; i say comic book movies should always be written by comics writers, just to be sure... Hollywood has an odd way to mess with good premises; Nolan, Miller, Snyder, Burton, Raimi, Singer, all of them took control of shooting and/or writing to leave their signs on their works Which shit did you mean about Miller? he made good stuff to me, but actually you did not tell the story you talked about...http://www.hisstank.com/forum/newrep...eply&p=4619873 Quote:
It'll remain to be seen if the Avengers has a deep enough impact that it pushes the Marvel heroes to the "top tier" of superhero recognition in the long term, but for most of comic-book history it's been: Superman, Batman, Spider-Man....and then everyone else (With Wonder Woman and the Hulk leading the pack of "everyone else.")
1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10) I can understand if arguments would be made for Tony and Cap being in 3 or 4, or Wolverine being higher.
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11-18-2017, 03:31 AM | #25 |
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I'd say Green Lantern's not even in the top 10 any more. I'd pick either Black Widow, Flash or Green Arrow
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11-18-2017, 05:03 AM | #26 |
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Haven’t got any plans to see JL at the cinema, but will watch it at home when it’s available. The current DC movie universe hasn’t captured my imagination to be honest.
MoS was okay, but would have preferred if before the finale, Superman had been established as a popular superhero. BvS again was alright, but felt like chunks of it were universe building instead of just getting on with the story of the film itself. I had unbelievably low expectations for Suicide Squad and the storyline wasn’t great, but some of the characters were okay. I haven’t seen WW, but understand that that is meant to be the best film in this shared universe. The difference with the MCU is that they tested the waters with individual films and the universe building wasn’t overbearing and didn’t impact the storyline or pacing of the film. Also a key thing in the MCU is that the characters have some charisma and there is some fun. DC characters can be a bit too serious and lacking in fun. |
11-18-2017, 09:15 AM | #27 |
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Definilty Flash over GL, however due to the GotG movies and the popularity he had with the kids Groot may be just as much a known name as the Flash. I mean I saw more Groots this last Halloween than I did other heros. That and Ninja Turtles.
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11-18-2017, 10:28 AM | #28 |
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I'm sure the popularity of comic heroes depends mostly on who you ask. Kids and the general non-geek population are probably gonna rank the GOTG as their faves. Deadpool's up their with the general population too. Flash, thanks to the TV show is obviously pretty damn popular as well. Just goes to show the impact a good bit of entertainment can have. If you had told me a decade ago that Iron Man and the GOTG flicks would make more money than a Batman or a Superman film, I'd have thought you were nutzo.
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11-18-2017, 12:29 PM | #29 |
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It's an interesting view, if only for the post credit scenes...
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11-18-2017, 01:49 PM | #30 |
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I saw JL last night and I enjoyed every minute of it. It's not the world's greatest movie but it's a decent action flick. The big bad is a bit lame and there's a few bits of ropey looking cgi but the rest is good. It's far, far better than Suicide Squad and has way more heart and soul than BvS or MoS. And Danny Elfman's score is great, drawing on the best bits of his Batman themes and John Williams' Superman score.
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