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12-16-2017, 01:44 PM | #11 |
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The biggest issue i have is every space drama trying to be Guardians. The shitty humor in it undercuts the gravity of so many scenes. It drove me nuts. The open with Poe and Hux was fitting and a nice parallel to the opening of TFA with he and Ren. But it got out of hand after that. Also, where are the knights of Ren?
Exactly, so many missed opportunities. We are mostly fanboys here. I really go with the flow but the rebellion has been deciminated and they are celebrating on the Falcon because 15 of them or so survived and Rey....is the new hope. Barf. They should have been sad and melancholy. For Petes sake they just lost the whole fleet and Luke. But like I said the kids liked it and I won't ruin it for them. My wife on the other hand....
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12-16-2017, 03:55 PM | #12 |
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It was a bad movie, but I can except that what is unforgivable is the terrible treatment of a beloved character Luke Skywalker.
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12-16-2017, 04:18 PM | #13 |
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Yes, Spoilers-I've loved StarWars since 1977- I may not have liked TFA because of where it left the original heroes- but I could accept the new generation and get with the new trilogy... but The Last Jedi... man, what a steaming pile of nonsense. From the forced slapstick humor to the WTF decisions. This is by far the worst StarWars next to the Holiday Special. There were certainly some amazing scenes in there (the Praetorian fight was awesome) But so many bad choices- Leia should have died on the bridge- her return, even if you think it makes sense (which is doesn't) was shot terribly and she then went on to contribute nothing to the rest of the movie- it was pointless. The new Admiral should have been fan favorite Akbar, but instead he dies off-screen and they bring in random guest star lady to lead the fleet and make the supreme sacrifice. Canto Bight was a massive waste of time, why not just find DJ in the jail on the Cruiser and he could have been one of the guys Rose says she caught trying to sneak away in an escape pod.. still the same character, with none of the casino planet stupidity and bad cgi horses. Yoda was ridiculous. Luke was not in character (he was going to kill Ben in his sleep??? No wonder Hamill protested) Snoke was nothing more than a bad plot device linking Rey and Kylo then getting shuffled off, the super slow speed space chase where the FO can't call in reinforcements to cut off a single cruiser, so so bad... and so much wasted potential here. Hopefully JJ can save the trilogy when he returns for IX. I had high hopes for Rian Johnson but after this mess... damn. There were some great action scenes, but the embarrassing Leia scene, the bad Yoda puppet, and the jokes after jokes after jokes (Poe and Hux "trolling", Finn's leaking jacket, Luke dusting of his shoulder. .. there's a reason Starwars fans are hating on this movie)
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12-16-2017, 06:31 PM | #14 |
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The worst sci/fi movie I have ever seen.
Disney Wars. Disney killed a Religion. I repeat, Star Wars start on Naboo and end on Endor. Period.
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12-16-2017, 08:25 PM | #15 |
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This is developing into a classic Hisstank thread. Haters gonna hate. It wasn't the best Star Wars movie, but it is by no means the worst. I never understood why Abrams wasn't doing all three films. I saw it for the second time today, and my feelings have stayed the same. I liked it a lot. But I didn't totally love it.
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12-16-2017, 09:58 PM | #16 |
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This is developing into a classic Hisstank thread. Haters gonna hate. It wasn't the best Star Wars movie, but it is by no means the worst. I never understood why Abrams wasn't doing all three films. I saw it for the second time today, and my feelings have stayed the same. I liked it a lot. But I didn't totally love it.
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12-16-2017, 11:25 PM | #17 |
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Rian Johnson took the "Christopher Nolan" approach to Star Wars with this movie, giving it a darker, more realistic tone and a complex plot filled with reversals and reveals. In doing so, Johnson has created a far more interesting and involving movie than J.J. Abrams' bubblebrained retread The Force Awakens and the sloppy, unfocused Rogue One. For the first time, audiences can have hope in the ongoing quality of Disney's Star Wars movies. The Last Jedi was much grittier and more realistic than anything we’ve seen before in the Star Wars film series. That took some of the fun away, in the same way Nolan's Batman films did not provide the same simple fun as the previous live-action Batman movies. But in exchange for that, we get a rich and complex experience that thinking adults can enjoy. Johnson makes almost all of the characters introduced in Episode 7 more developed, more believable, less cliched and less simplistic. He does well fleshing out the new characters he introduces too. Most importantly, Johnson succeeds at advancing Luke Skywalker's character into new and interesting areas. Compare this to The Force Awakens which actually regressed Han Solo's character into a boring retread of his original smuggler persona, giving us absolutely nothing new to think about. Johnson wisely understands that for a character to be heroic, he has to be tempted by the dark side and learn to overcome it. Mark Hamill gives the best performance of his career, aging perfectly into his role in a way that his original trilogy co-stars did not. One can only imagine how much more solid this new trilogy would've been if a real artist like Johnson has helmed it from the beginning instead of the serial plagiarist J.J. Abrams.
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12-17-2017, 12:02 AM | #18 |
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But that's Hollywood lately, these movies are aimed at those who cannot hold any attention span to anything anymore, so the movie ends up like several stories almost episodic within an already episodic series. It's no wonder people don't like it. Me? I liked it a lot. Seeing Luke again, seeing Yoda. The scenes with Leia were much, much better than The Force Awakens. Was it perfect? No. The scene with Leia floating back into the ship was terrible, space is too cold and she would have been a popsicle in a few seconds.
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12-17-2017, 12:15 AM | #19 |
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Rian Johnson took the "Christopher Nolan" approach to Star Wars with this movie, giving it a darker, more realistic tone and a complex plot filled with reversals and reveals. In doing so, Johnson has created a far more interesting and involving movie than J.J. Abrams' bubblebrained retread The Force Awakens and the sloppy, unfocused Rogue One. For the first time, audiences can have hope in the ongoing quality of Disney's Star Wars movies. The Last Jedi was much grittier and more realistic than anything we’ve seen before in the Star Wars film series. That took some of the fun away, in the same way Nolan's Batman films did not provide the same simple fun as the previous live-action Batman movies. But in exchange for that, we get a rich and complex experience that thinking adults can enjoy. Johnson makes almost all of the characters introduced in Episode 7 more developed, more believable, less cliched and less simplistic. He does well fleshing out the new characters he introduces too. Most importantly, Johnson succeeds at advancing Luke Skywalker's character into new and interesting areas. Compare this to The Force Awakens which actually regressed Han Solo's character into a boring retread of his original smuggler persona, giving us absolutely nothing new to think about. Johnson wisely understands that for a character to be heroic, he has to be tempted by the dark side and learn to overcome it. Mark Hamill gives the best performance of his career, aging perfectly into his role in a way that his original trilogy co-stars did not. One can only imagine how much more solid this new trilogy would've been if a real artist like Johnson has helmed it from the beginning instead of the serial plagiarist J.J. Abrams.
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12-17-2017, 12:40 AM | #20 |
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It wasn't unfocused at all, any more than ESB. It really did follow a similar structure to ESB, with the Rebels on the run from the Empire the entire movie, while the lead Jedi goes off to a backwater planet for training, until he/she comes back, faces the lead villain and rejoins the heroes. But it layered that background with its own unique foreground so it didn't feel like a retread, for the most part. The most retready thing was the Throne Room scene...we didn't need that setting again. But the drama among the Rebels was all entirely new situations, actually developing the Rebels better than they ever had been before. I was much more impressed with Kylo as a villain here, other than the one scene where he attacks the wall petulantly again like Cobra Commander.
Also had to laugh when Finn called Phasma "chrome dome," the longest-running G.I. Joe insult for CC in the books. Biggest Star Wars rip-off from G.I. Joe since the B.A.T.-tle Droids. Of course it was darker and grittier. The space battles were shot more like Dunkirk than Flash Gordon, with actual deaths and casualties being seen and dealt with. And the complexity in Luke's character is undeniable. It seems to be the thing some fans are unwilling to even attempt to understand. They seemed to be happier with the crappy one-dimensional characterization of Han in TFA. I loved what they did with Luke for the same reason I loved Batman V Superman. It stretched these characters to their moral limits, forced them to face temptation and make decisions that were far from simple and easy in order to define their status as a hero. Episode 7 was like taking a cheap blonde bimbo out on a date. Episode 8 was like taking out an Ivy League-educated girl. Not as much of a simple, fun ride but a much richer, more complex and more thought-provoking experience. Last edited by JediJones; 12-17-2017 at 12:55 AM.. |
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