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12-20-2014, 07:03 PM | #11 |
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I got to see it today and I really enjoyed it. I just didn't want it to end. The whole movie though, right from the start has an "ending" sort of feeling to it. As it should. The movie seemed to fly by to me. It's listed as having a 2 hours and 24 minute runtime, but the credits must eat up a big chunk of that because my showing started at noon, and I was back in my car at 2:25, and that's including about four trailers shown right at noon. Given that I don't know anything about the book, I was a bit surprised by some events, but I thought they worked out well.
There's just something right about seeing these movies before Christmas. I wish they'd re-release them at this time every year. The extended editions especially! I saw this on a Cinemark XD screen, in HFR and 3D and it really looks amazing. I love that "stage" look that it gives it, especially when there's scenes with the people from Lake Town. It's more noticeable with them than with the dwarves or elves. I'll probably see it again in the standard frame rate version, just for comparison's sake. *SPOILER!* I was hoping that we might see a young version of Aragorn showing up in the battle. I wasn't sure if this was the one that Theoden's father had fought in with him. But I'm glad they at least got to mention him and make a connection with the LOTR films. |
12-21-2014, 12:27 AM | #12 |
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I've heard that the studio kind of forced PJ's hand in making this movie shorter so it could be shown more times each day. I think the ending suffered because of this. I still enjoyed the movie, but it had potential to get really emotional at the end, but it just didn't quite reach that. I heard that the EE will have 30 min of extra footage. Hopefully, the new footage will dominate the ending.
As far as your spoiler question, that character was never in the Hobbit book, nor was there any reference in the LOTR appendicies that he was in the BOFA.
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12-21-2014, 09:46 PM | #13 |
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I felt a few of the "hooks" for Lord of the Rings were too heavy-handed.
I mean seriously, that one bit at the end with Legolas may as well have had Thranduil look at the screen and say, "Buy The Lord of the Rings on Blu-Ray or DVD now, available at major retailers and online!" But it was probably studio mandated. It's just weird to see this stuff emphasized for a sequel that's already made. You don't have to convince people to buy tickets for The Lord of the Rings...they already did. I also get that it makes a degree of sense for Legolas to have been at the Battle of Five Armies...but his "expanded role" was...ugh. Didn't help that Orlando Bloom very noticeably looks 15 years older than his LotR days. I don't mean to sound like I was down on the whole movie. Overall I still liked it, but the things that bugged me bugged me pretty bad. |
12-21-2014, 11:47 PM | #14 |
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I liked that Legolas was able to get Orcrist back to Thorin. It was only when I watched the Desolation of Smaug a week or so ago (probably the 4th or 5th time I've seen it) that I noticed he was using that sword in Lake Town when he fought Bolg and the orcs.
I see the point about the connections being heavy handed, but I didn't mind them. The Legolas one was the worst, but they had to say something. They just could have done it better. Gandalf needed to let the audience, if not Bilbo know that he knew Bilbo had a ring, based on the conversation he has with Frodo in Moria. I'm hoping that the extended version will have a bit more of Smaug's attack, that seemed a bit short. And that they have some sort of grisly, if comical death for Alfrid. The only thing that I can come close to complaining about is that he was in it too much, and too over the top, without the payoff of a death scene. |
12-22-2014, 08:12 AM | #15 |
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I liked that Legolas was able to get Orcrist back to Thorin. It was only when I watched the Desolation of Smaug a week or so ago (probably the 4th or 5th time I've seen it) that I noticed he was using that sword in Lake Town when he fought Bolg and the orcs.
I see the point about the connections being heavy handed, but I didn't mind them. The Legolas one was the worst, but they had to say something. They just could have done it better. Gandalf needed to let the audience, if not Bilbo know that he knew Bilbo had a ring, based on the conversation he has with Frodo in Moria. I'm hoping that the extended version will have a bit more of Smaug's attack, that seemed a bit short. And that they have some sort of grisly, if comical death for Alfrid. The only thing that I can come close to complaining about is that he was in it too much, and too over the top, without the payoff of a death scene. I'll put it this way: I don't have a problem with "it wasn't like that/it wasn't in the book!" when the inclusion really does feel seamless. Like it COULD have happened in the book and just wasn't "on page" or whatever. Jackson is usually good at that, but with Legolas in these last two movies (and Tauriel for that matter), it became more a case of "This is actually changing the story." Even worse, by the end of the film, you almost come away with the impression that the trilogy was just as much about Legolas as Thorin or Bilbo (With the screen time fragmented among so many characters, the "main" characters kinda ended up getting short shrift). Basically, if Legolas had just shown up and fought in the Battle of Five Armies, and made a cameo when the Dwarves were held prisoner in Mirkwood...I would totally have been cool with that. Making him into one of the "heroes" of the trilogy was...a bit much. As for the stuff that was cut, here's what my buddies and I came up with for likely Extended Edition material: Alfrid meeting a nasty end (though funny enough, one of my non-book-reading friends was like "Was that Wormtongue?"). The funeral of Thorin/Crowning of Dain More of the Battle (After Thorin goes on his mission to fight Azog, it's like that whole huge battle happening back in Dale/the gates of Erebor just ceases to exist until "Hey! The good guys won!" Especially when the last bit we see from it is Legolas chewing out Thranduil for abandoning the humans and dwarves, but we don't actually see Thranduil go back to help them. It seemed a glaring cut: How did the folks back at Dale cause the Orcs to retreat when it didn't look like the Eagles intervened over there? Amidst the above: More of the other dwarves in the Battle. And really just more of the other dwarves, period. It's a damn shame that you could practically remove half the members of Thorin's company and it would make almost no difference at all to the films. I think it's safe to say most of the EE material will probably come towards the end of the movie. Either way, it's gonna be pretty crazy when we've got all 6 extended editions and can have the marathon to end all marathons.... Last edited by Jmacq1; 12-22-2014 at 08:19 AM.. |
12-22-2014, 12:07 PM | #16 |
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I agree Jmacq1. It needed more of the 13 Dwarves in the film. I'd prefer to have Jimmy Nesbit (Bofer I think) make me laugh and not Alfred.
I also think the ending could have been much more emotional by showing the funeral/crowning scene. I would like a longer goodbye between Bilbo and the remaining dwarves. Also, we need more Beorn!!!! 10-15 seconds is not enough. I think we will see Bilbo recovering the troll hoard treasure in the EE. OVerall, I liked the film, but the ending could have been done much better.
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12-22-2014, 07:17 PM | #17 |
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Does anyone else think of Anthony Kiedis whenever Bofer is on screen or is it just me?
I liked the ending, and the goodbyes just as they were on screen. It hit just the right notes for me. It was a manly way to say so long. I'd rather see that in the theatrical version and then add to it in the extended version if needed. Just because the goodbyes in Return of the King went on for too long. I would like to see that funeral scene you mentioned though. It felt like that was missing. In hindsight now, I do agree that Legolas had too much screentime, but as I watch the movies I never really thought that. Simply because he had probably the best fight scenes in the movies, so it was just fun to watch. It is a bit surprising that they didn't use some cgi wizardry to make him look younger, or have him lose some weight to get nearly as skinny as he was in the LOTR films. He seems like the Legolas we'd see 60 years after those movies, not before. His Batman voice in DOS didn't help. That being said, I just have so much fun watching these movies that I wouldn't mind if Peter Jackson said he was going to make a film about Legolas and Aragorn that takes place between the trilogies, all of his own creation. |
12-29-2014, 07:02 PM | #18 |
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I felt a few of the "hooks" for Lord of the Rings were too heavy-handed.
I mean seriously, that one bit at the end with Legolas may as well have had Thranduil look at the screen and say, "Buy The Lord of the Rings on Blu-Ray or DVD now, available at major retailers and online!" But it was probably studio mandated. It's just weird to see this stuff emphasized for a sequel that's already made. You don't have to convince people to buy tickets for The Lord of the Rings...they already did. I also get that it makes a degree of sense for Legolas to have been at the Battle of Five Armies...but his "expanded role" was...ugh. Didn't help that Orlando Bloom very noticeably looks 15 years older than his LotR days. I don't mean to sound like I was down on the whole movie. Overall I still liked it, but the things that bugged me bugged me pretty bad.
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12-29-2014, 10:42 PM | #19 |
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Saw it again in the regular frame rate. I still prefer the high frame rate version. It just looks much more clear and crisp. But the ghosts, or witch kings or whatever looked so much scarier in the HFR. God help us when somebody finally makes a really spooky movie using that.
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Did you see PJ? I haven't seen it again, and I didn't find him the first time.
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