|12-05-2009, 11:16 PM||#1|
Join Date: Aug 2006
I have been really wanting to just spill my guts on this topic, especially here since this is where I first heard about 2012, the doomsday prophecy. I'm a bit of a hypercondriac when it comes to things like this. it really gets to me, and one day while perusing, in spring of 2008, I happened upon some people talking about 2012. I freaked out for a couple days, but the good thing abuot me is, even while I freak out, I have the sence to do the right thing and investigate. So heres my rant on this subject, and I hope I change some minds for the better.
All the doomsday prophecies are hoaxs. the truth of the matter is nobody knows what will happen in 2012, but I am gonna talk about a couple of the big ones.
Mayan Longcount Calender. yes. its going to end in 2012. But, it also ended in 1618. All of the Longcount Calenders are called a baktun, and we are currently in the 13th baktun. You see, back in the 1980s, a man named Frank Waters put out a book called "Mayan Great Cycle", predicting the world would end at the end of the long count calender.
yes, people have been making prophecies about the end of the world for centuries. if you look at the internet, there are a few websites that list many of the doomsday prophecies that have failed in the past 2000 years(The earlier years are a bit sketchy but theres a good list). and one of them lists them into the future up to the year 2040. infact, theres one scheduled for 2009, which probably already came.
anyway, back to this. This man mistakenly explained that the mayan calender had never ended before, and that it has been ongoing for 3000 some odd years. he also mistakenly plotted the end of this long count as December 24th 2011(Christmas Eve. Bummer). Of course, he is wrong. If you ask any reputable mayan expert, they will tell you all you need to know as to why this is wrong. Infact, I'll do it right now and I know I'm not an expert.
"Most of the Maya calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 ◊ 20) was known as a katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 ◊ 7,200 = 144,000 days). Although some ancient inscriptions turn 13 baktuns into an important reset milestone, others imply that the calendar simply keeps running. For instance, it takes 20 baktuns to make a pictun." this was taken from E.C. Krupp's, Director of Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, article in Sky & Telescope Magazine.
and this was what sparked many of the doomsday plots, a few people heard it somewhere, and they put things together in a paranoid frenzy. I'll continue
Planet Niburu. this one is pure science fiction that has been around for a decade. it is an imaginary planet that originally was supposed to collide with earth in 2003. It didnt. so as 2012 started stirring, people tacked it into 2012. Moving on.
Polar Shift. This one is the most likely to happen, because it could actually be happening now. a Polar shift is when the earths gravity begins to go askew and the planet would turn upside down. The thing is, ask any astronomer, physicist, or geologist, and they'll tell you such a thing can happen, but it would take thousands upon thousands of years from start to finish. infact we could be in the middle of it right now, and not know it untill tomorrow, or untill 50 years from now, or 600 years from now.
Planet Alignment. Planets have done this all the time since the history of man. Infact, it happened in 1982, but acording to Nasa, its not scheduled to happen again in 2012, and the most important part. It dosent mess with anything.
Return of Christ or rapture. I am not even going to say anything abuot this but that its been predicted since his death for the past 2000 years in just about every decade atleast once.
Nostrodamus. He didnt predict 9/11 if you actually research it, so I am just throwing him away.
Webbot. This thing only says its the doomsday cause it monitors what people talk about and if people are talking about a doomsday, than its gonna say there will be a doomsday. if people talk about the doomsday will be involving fluffy bunnys, than it will say the doomsday will involve fluffy bunnys.
Aliens. more likely than most, but hardly likely. I'm chocking this one up to Science fiction.
Solar Flares. This is one of the bigger ones, and its true, a solar event is going to start in 2012 and end in 2014. But, it is also true that these solar events are actually on a schedule of about every 11 years(nasa.gov is great for little info like this). so in 2001, 1990, 1979 and so on, untill the beginning of the suns existance, it has had some kind of flare, and if the flares havent burnt us out since the dawn of man some 10,000 years ago, I am not gonna hold my breath.
lastly, I want to touch base on another subject. like I said, Doomsday theories have popped up throughout mans history, and people will usually be freaked out about it because many like to jump at little things without fully understanding. once there was supposed to be a great flood and people in europe spent a week in boats waiting for it.
I'm also gonna say this. Despite what people on the internet have tacked onto this date, it is nothing compared to the date of january 1st 2000. I lifted these from a great website. A Brief History of the Apocalypse which lists many failed doomsdays.
2000 the year
Hal Lindsey, whose 1988 prediction failed, suggests the end in his recently published book, entitled Planet Earth - 2000 A.D. However, he leaves himself a face-saving outlet: "Could I be wrong? Of course. The Rapture may not occur between now and the year 2000." (Lindsey p.306)
The beginning of Christ's Millennium according to some Mormon literature, such as the publication Watch and Be Ready: Preparing for the Second Coming of the Lord. The New Jerusalem will descend from the heavens in 2000, landing in Independence, Missouri. (McIver #3377, Skinner p.100)
19th century mystic Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy, foresaw the end of the world in 2000. (Shaw p.83)
Even Sir Isaac Newton was bitten by the millennium bug. He predicted that Christ's Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John. (Schwartz p.96)
Ruth Montgomery predicts Earth's axis will shift and the Antichrist will reveal himself in 2000. (Kyle p.156, 195)
The establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven, according to Rev. Sun Myung Moon. (Kyle p.148)
The Second Coming, followed by a New Age, according to famed psychic Edgar Cayce. (Hanna p.219)
The Second Coming, as forecasted in Ed Dobson's book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000.
The end of the world according to Lester Sumrall in his book I Predict 2000. (Abanes p.99, 341)
The tribulation is to occur before the year 2000, said Gordon Lindsay, founder of the Christ for the Nations Ministry. (Abanes p.280)
According to a series of lectures given by Shoko Asahara in 1992, 90% of the world's population would be annihilated by nuclear, biological and chemical weapons by the year 2000. (Thompson p.262)
One of the earliest predictions for the year 2000 was made by Petrus Olivi in 1297. He wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around 2000. (Weber p.54)
According to American Indian spiritual leader Sun Bear, the end of the world would come in the year 2000 if the human race didn't shape up. (Abanes p.307)
18th century fire-and-brimstone preacher Jonathan Edwards concluded that Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in 2000. (Weber p.171)
The world will be devastated by AIDS in the year 2000, according to Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Afterwards, the world will be rebuilt by a peaceful matriarchal society. (Robbins p.164)
William Kamm, aka Little Pebble, is the leader of the Australian doomsday cult Order of St. Charbel, predicts that a comet will destroy the Earth before the dawn of the new millennium.
Fundamentalist conspiracy advocate Texe Marrs stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000." (Abanes p.311)
Members of the Stella Maris Gnostic Church, a Colombian doomsday cult, went into Colombia's Sierra Nevada mountains over the weekend of July 3-4, 1999, weekend to be picked up by a UFO that would save them from the end of the world, which is to take place at the turn of the millennium. The cult members have disappeared. Perhaps they were picked up by aliens! (Source: BBC News).
A radical apocalyptic sect emerged in early 18th century France: the Convulsionaries. One of the members, Jacques-Joseph Duguet, anticipated the Parousia in 2000. (Kyle p.192)
Timothy Dwight (1752-1817), President of Yale University, foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000. (Kyle p.81)
Martin Luther looked at 2000 as a possible end-time date, before finally settling on 1600. (Kyle p.192)
Sukyo Mahikari, a Japanese cult, preaches that the world might be destroyed in a "baptism of fire" by 2000. (Source: ABC News)
A Vietnamese cult headed by Ca Van Lieng predicted an apocalyptic flood for 2000. But doomsday came much earlier for the cult members: he and his followers committed mass suicide in October 1993. (Source: Cult Observer archives)
Before the end of 1999, Hon-Ming Chen of the 30-member cult Chen Tao began backpedalling on his prediction of a nuclear holocaust and UFO rescue by December 31. Now Doomsday has been rescheduled to sometime "in the next year," according to cult spokesman Richard Liu. (St. Cloud Times, Dec. 26, 1999)
Sometime in 2000 ("either a few days or a few months away," according to this Sep. 12, 2000 CNN article) the End of Days will take place, say members of a Mormon-based cult near the Utah-Arizona border. Hundreds of memmbers of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have pulled their kids out of school' in preparation for the Big Day.
January 1st 2000
Y2K!! Compounding people's apocalyptic hopes and fears for 2000 was a technological problem that came to be known as Y2K. This problem was hyped by the media, preachers, doomsayers and the authors of a myriad Y2K preparedness books as something that promised to bring the world to a catastrophic standstill. But thanks to the diligent efforts of programmers, governments and companies throughout the world, the bite of the "Y2K bug" turned out to be mostly harmless. There were a few minor glitches here and there, but nothing serious. The fundamentalists who claimed that Y2K is all part of God's plan or that the Antichrist would use Y2K to seize power have been proven wrong! In the aftermath of this ultimate disconfirmation many of them have tried to salvage their dignity by saying "Just you wait! It's only the beginning of the end!" To the Y2K doomsayers I smugly say, "I told you so!" Here's an interesting article about the combination of Y2K with mystical expectations.
In the honored tradition of the "comet pills" of 1910, many hucksters took advantage of people's Y2K fears to reap a tidy doomsday profit by selling survival gear. Now all those who "stocked up for Y2K" will have to figure out what to do with all those packets of freeze-dried food, bottles of water, gasoline generators, wood-burning stoves and shotgun shells.
For an example of the extent that Y2K doomsday paranoia can grip someone, take a gander at Gary North's page. In your face, Gary!!!
The Christian apocalyptic cult House of Prayer, headed by one Brother David, expected Christ to descend onto the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on this day. The Israeli government recently kicked them out of the country in a preemptive strike against potentially violent doomsday nutcases who may attempt to catalyze the Apocalypse through terrorist acts such as blowing up the Dome of the Rock.
John WorldPeace sent this post to Usenet, claiming that the failure of Jesus to return on January 1 will lead to the people of the world finally abandoning war and hatred as foolish pursuits and instead embracing peace, love and tolerance. Wouldn't it be great if he were right?
Bobby Bible, a 60-year-old fundamentalist, believed that Jesus would descend from Heaven at the stroke of midnight in Jerusalem and rapture his church.
A Philippine cult called Tunnels of Salvation taught that the world would end on January 1. The cult's guru, Cerferino Quinte, claimed that the world would be destroyed in an "all consuming rain of fire" on January 1. (I guess his prediction came partially true: there were plenty of fireworks going off around the world that night.) In order to survive the world's destruction, the cult members built an elaborate series of tunnels where he had stockpiled a year's worth of supplies for 700 people. CESNUR)
UK native Ann Willem spent the New Year in Israel, expecting to be raptured by Jesus on New Year's Day. "It didn't happen the way it was supposed to," she said of the failure of the Rapture to take place. (USA Today p.5A, 1/3/00)
Jerry Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on New Year's Day. According to Falwell, God "may be preparing to confound our language, to jam our communications, scatter our efforts, and judge us for our sin and rebellion against his lordship. We are hearing from many sources that January 1, 2000, will be a fateful day in the history of the world." Happy New Year! (Christianity Today, Jan. 11, 1999)
Timothy LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, authors of the bestselling Left Behind series of apocalyptic fiction, expected the Y2K bug to trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the big day approached, they, like other doomsayers, backpedalled. (Source: Washington Post)
the main reason I type this up is because people are being led to panic, thanks to Hollywood fueling a small fire. I want people to relax and enjoy themselves. Nobody can truely predict what the future holds unless your Doc Emmett Brown, and the important thing about life is to enjoy it and live it for the moment.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle
PS. I am not an expert on this, so dont start flaming me that I dont know anything. I just want you to atleast listen to this with an open mind.
Last edited by Nexodusrex; 12-05-2009 at 11:21 PM..
|12-05-2009, 11:22 PM||#2|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Playing Outside In B.C. Canada
Whew...2012 Christmas is on !!!
|12-05-2009, 11:23 PM||#3|
Join Date: May 2008
Location: On break
Anyone who believes in 2012 is not going to read and listen to you......... their minds are set in 2012 we are dead!!!!!!
Interesting read regardless.
|12-05-2009, 11:24 PM||#4|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northwood, NH
I hope the doomsday does involve fluffy bunnies.
If I'm going to die, I want it to be by fluffy bunnies.
|12-05-2009, 11:25 PM||#5|
Join Date: May 2008
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Fluffy bunnies...........LOL...............thats funny stuff.......lol.
|12-05-2009, 11:27 PM||#6|
Join Date: Apr 2009
i myself am an Eschatologist.
you bring up good points.
but I tend to believe that those
missed predictions are smoke screen.
if there's one thing that unites the secular and the peculiar, the religious and the scientific, the athiest and the fundamentalist, the magician and the skeptic... itz usually some version of the end game. every culture has
one... every thinker ponders one...
if the one thing we all truly have in common is the concept of it ending...
or unbeginning or whatever you want to call it...
then it might be the one thing to at least heed if not worry about.
but also spending the time I have studying the apocalypse...
I have learned to just relax and and enjoy every day and
not to worry about such things.
worry... hell no.
|12-05-2009, 11:27 PM||#7|
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|12-05-2009, 11:28 PM||#8|
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wow, now i know, and knowing is half the battle
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|12-05-2009, 11:28 PM||#9|
Join Date: Jan 2007
I stopped reading after the forth paragraph. But uh, yeah, I'm not too worried about 2012. I've gotta be able to live through another 13 months before then anyway... which'll be challenge enough given my diet of Baconators and Mountain Dew. Well that and the near complete lack of exercise.
Tales of the Dead Eleven:
--How is it that I'm wearing a grey undershirt... but my bellybutton lint is still blue?
|12-05-2009, 11:28 PM||#10|
Join Date: Apr 2009
that's cuz you're the devil. ;)
i'm onto you.
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