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12-08-2009, 11:46 AM | #51 |
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I say who really cares, other than her and her family. I know I don't care that she was found guilty of a crime in another country. From the media frenzy you'd think that you have to believe she's innocent simply because she's American otherwise you're supporting terrorists. If she killed her boyfriend stateside no one would give two seconds to this but since it was in Italy she must be innocent.
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12-08-2009, 11:49 AM | #52 |
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The US doesn't do sequestered juries either. Oh and the whole not talk to the press idea... please how do you think so much info is leaked to the press during a case. All you get is a warning, "remember don't talk about the case."
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It seems the Italian Legal system does not have sequestered Juries or any regulations about jurors being exposed to elements of the case or talking about it outside of court. That alone makes the entire process suspect, to me.
From what I read, the genuine/forensic evidence against Knox was very weak, but Italy's justice system seems to be more about the "court of public opinion" than "beyond a reasonable doubt" or "innocent until proven guilty." Because from what I saw/read, there was a hell of a lot of reasonable doubt to be had here. I can't say for sure whether she was guilty or not, but in the US if you "can't say for sure" then they're supposed to be ruled innocent. |
12-08-2009, 11:59 AM | #53 |
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Call me a fascist, communist, America-hater, but why is it that every time an American gets in trouble abroad the US reaction is to call every other country's legal system a joke? We aren't the only country in the world that can do anything right.
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12-08-2009, 12:18 PM | #54 |
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I don't know a whole lot of the case, but I had read in the news that there was really no DNA evidence whatsoever.
Is the guilty? I can't say, but is it beyond a shadow of a doubt? Hell no. The lack of DNA evidence alone is enough - remember, we're talking about a violent crime with possible sexual motives here. That sounds like an EXTREMELY weak theory/motive. Why would anyone kill someone for that? Doesn't make sense.
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12-08-2009, 12:35 PM | #55 |
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I say who really cares, other than her and her family. I know I don't care that she was found guilty of a crime in another country. From the media frenzy you'd think that you have to believe she's innocent simply because she's American otherwise you're supporting terrorists. If she killed her boyfriend stateside no one would give two seconds to this but since it was in Italy she must be innocent.
Bah! Let her rot. I could care less.
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12-08-2009, 12:42 PM | #56 |
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As for info "leaked to the press" in many cases the press is allowed to sit in the courtroom while the trial is going on. Or the lawyers themselves (who are not jurors and therefore not subject to the same rules) leak the information. Quote:
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Call me a fascist, communist, America-hater, but why is it that every time an American gets in trouble abroad the US reaction is to call every other country's legal system a joke? We aren't the only country in the world that can do anything right.
But "being perfect" is not a prerequisite for questioning the fairness of another government's legal system. Especially one that has a documented history of corruption and inefficiency as the Italian's does, in a case with virtually no hard evidence linking the person in question to the crime. Where jurors made public statements prior to the trial that they thought she was guilty. In the US that'd be an instant mistrial, and probably a "reasonable doubt" exoneration due to lack of evidence. In Italy it apparently just takes the media saying you're guilty and rebroadcasting it over and over again to get a conviction. |
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I don't know a whole lot of the case, but I had read in the news that there was really no DNA evidence whatsoever.
Is the guilty? I can't say, but is it beyond a shadow of a doubt? Hell no. The lack of DNA evidence alone is enough - remember, we're talking about a violent crime with possible sexual motives here. That sounds like an EXTREMELY weak theory/motive. Why would anyone kill someone for that? Doesn't make sense. Last edited by xxxx; 12-08-2009 at 01:58 PM.. |
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12-08-2009, 01:56 PM | #59 |
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Well I for one get the feeling that anti-American sentiment was definetly a factor as far as the ruling went. Like "Here's this yank that came here and killed a European! GUILTY!!!" I'm really not tryin' to get too politcal, because I hate politics.
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do you realise how your comment does not make sense?people get killed for a lot less and at the end of the day whether you buy the motive or not ,they did not just pick amanda knoxs name out of a hat and announce this is the killer. a bright young british student was brutally slain and amanda knox was found guilty of the crime . end of. she did it and got what she deserved.is the verdict an outrage ,just because amanda knox is american?
You ignore the almost complete lack of forensic evidence linking her to the crime. Even the so-called murder weapon that had both her and the victim's DNA on it was pointed out to be inconsistent with the wounds the victim had. The verdict is suspect because there are public quotes from jurors stating that they thought she was guilty before opening arguments were even made. That doesn't strike you as a "tainted jury" in the least? Maybe she's guilty, maybe she isn't. The point in contention is whether or not the trial itself was fair, and it seems pretty clear on the surface that it wasn't. If the trial isn't fair to begin with, how can you simply presume the outcome isn't tainted? Knox may even be completely nuts, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's a murderess. |
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