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View Poll Results: What do you think should happen to Pete Rose? | |||
Pete Rose should be reinstated and enshrined in the Hall of Fame during his lifetime. | 64 | 65.31% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated during his lifetime, but not enshrined in the Hall of Fame. | 1 | 1.02% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated and enshrined into the Hall of Fame only after his death. | 2 | 2.04% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated after his death, but never enshrined in the Hall of Fame. | 0 | 0% | |
Pete Rose should never be reinstated. | 14 | 14.29% | |
I really couldn't care less. | 17 | 17.35% | |
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09-03-2009, 11:40 PM | #71 |
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I voted that he should be inducted into the hall of fame. I assume that since it was an option on the poll, that he merrits it. I don't know much of any thing about Baseball, other than how to play it. Professional sports has always been one of those things that makes my head turn like a dog that doesn't understand the noise he hears. But I don't understand the stigma that is implied in this guy betting on his own team, or against it or how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
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09-03-2009, 11:43 PM | #72 |
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It's a good point but not really valid.
He bet on his team to win EVERY night. Why would he blow it all on one game and risk losing the other game? He had a standing bet on every game, no way would he go all out to win one night at the risk of the other nights. So in reality, by that logic, he was doing what he could to win everynight and each other after that since he had money on every game to win. |
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09-04-2009, 12:16 AM | #73 |
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Yes. That was the bets he made. His team to win, every night.
Had a standing $2000 bet on the Reds to win.
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09-04-2009, 12:22 AM | #74 |
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But, wouldn't that motivate him to perform better? Doesn't that sort of imply that he belongs in the Hall of Fame? How was he going to make money off his bet unless he motivated himself to effect the positive outcome of the games in which he was playing? Isn't the Hall of Fame based on performance?
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09-04-2009, 12:26 AM | #75 |
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Which is the issue. Yes, he did something wrong, he placed money on the games.
But he didn't do it in such a way to fix games, except in so much as he could fix the games to win, which was his job. So I guess he was just betting to give himself a bonus.
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09-04-2009, 12:28 AM | #76 |
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but all that is moot. the rules were explicit -- bet on any game you are involved in or influence and it's a ban for life. why should he get a pass for willingly breaking those rules and voluntarily accepting the repercussions for doing so when he conducted the behavior? that's one of the problems with our country nowadays, we are afraid to enforce the rules and want to make decisions that simply make us feel good. |
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09-04-2009, 12:33 AM | #77 |
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But, why is that wrong? What's more, how does that effect the history of his performance if the Hall of Fame is based soley on the merrit of his game? It sounds to me like the Hall of Fame is NOT based on merrit of performance and more on the politics of professional sports. Just because there is an asterix on a record doesn't mean that it's always illegitimate. Besides, what is so profoundly wrong about gambling? The whole debates strikes me as a whole lot of crap over fake outrage.
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09-04-2009, 12:42 AM | #78 |
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I was going off this quote:
"Rose has admitted that he did bet on the Reds to win (he claims he had a standing $2,000 bet on the Reds every night)." From this article on SI.Com Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hit king, deserves forgiveness* - Joe Posnanski - SI.com I guess, how true it is, the only one that really knows that is Rose. It's an interesting article. "What Pete Rose DID do -- or at least what we KNOW he did -- is bet on the Cincinnati Reds to win while he was manager of the team. Did he do more? Maybe. But this is what we know and the Dowd Report is clear in saying "No evidence was discovered that Rose bet against the Cincinnati Reds." In 20 years of digging and pinching you would think that if Rose indeed bet against the Reds at any point it would have come out. All you can know is what you know. I think it's probably fair to say that Rose bet on his team to win."
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But, what he did off the feild isn't my point. Did he or did he not perform to the standard that should or should not merrit his inclusion in the Hall? My subtle point is that the Hall itself is a whole lot of politics. Just like any self-agrandizing institution, it should at least follow the merrits it sets for itself. If the debate is over his performance on the field, then the debate is worthwhile. But, this debate isn't over his performance, only his behavior after the fact. Bill Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and the whole country acted like he'd raped their mother. It's just a lot of fake outrage over something that has nothing to do with the mans performace of his job. What it really is, when you get down to it, is the politification (if that's even a word) of morality. Morals didn't come from the bible and it certainly isn't a product of the individual.
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09-04-2009, 12:57 AM | #80 |
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I said something like that couple pages back.
His on the field performance merits entry in the Hall. The Hall is supposed to be about on the field performance. So unless there's proof he bet well a player, he should get in as a player and not a manager.
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