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09-20-2011, 09:59 AM | #2711 |
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YUP
That's the problem with the younger generation of wrestling fans. It's all about flash and glamour, high risk and short careers. The title changes so often due to lack of long term drawing power of the champion (or in this case John Cena). Short attention spans as well as people getting very tired of guys like Cena mean that he will have multiple, short term reigns, which in the end, cheapen the value and meaning of that title. He also needs to have that title so many times so that he can likened to the status of a Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair but the reality of it is that in 15 years, no one will remember Cena (but who could forget Flair and Hogan). Careers are a lot shorter now and they do not have the same amount of opportunity to build a long term career that they did 20 years ago. Guys today compared with 20 years ago are pansies and could never keep up what with the partying, drinking, traveling and the wear and tear on their bodies of doing it night after night for 300+ times a year. They have to "get in an get out" as quickly as they can. As for calling guys of today "pansies" because they couldn't keep up with the partying, drinking, and travelling? The partying and drinking can mess with their performance level and do some lasting damage... but that's probably just a lie, I mean look how healthy partiers like Ric Flair, Jake the Snake, the Hardy Boys, etc are today! Great shining examples of partying it up! Getting out quickly? Yeah, that sucks when they leave before they hit a huge downhill slide. I know I just can't wait to see the wonderful crapfest that is the next Hogan or Flair match - oh, wait, I won't watch it because it's sad. Maybe when an old dude croaks in the ring, then they'll understand that sometimes you have to walk away from a business where the titles are pretend and it doesn't matter compared to your actual health. As for travelling - I don't think I remember the NWA or UWF touring China, England, or really anywhere overseas. Yeah, today's wrestlers have better methods of travel and work for people who want to keep them at their highest level. How dare not do stupid, unnecessary travel and put themselves at risk for injuries and wrecks.
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09-20-2011, 11:06 AM | #2713 |
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[QUOTE=Serpymatt;2885372]In a no DQ match with that many underlying storylines, it would be absolutely retarded NOT to have run ins. It would be like all the people who have had their hands in the cookie jar sitting in the back going, "Maybe I should be nice and let them settle their differences."
- That is the problem. No DQ automatically means that you have to expect run-ins. I would rather see something fresh in a no-DQ match. More innovation. Better writing. Or at least a Colt Cabana run-in. Well, maybe not CC. - I was really hoping that they would at least prolong Punk vs. HHH through Hell in a Cell. I think there is more value with him fighting HHH, then being a third of the title match. Plus, it would keep Johnny Ace off my TV. |
09-20-2011, 11:07 AM | #2714 |
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09-20-2011, 11:07 AM | #2715 |
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Really? Younger wrestling fan? I've been watching it for about 25 years now. It became really high risk for the performers because people kept wanting more and more and they gave it to them - it also got them some serious injuries and untimely deaths.
As for calling guys of today "pansies" because they couldn't keep up with the partying, drinking, and travelling? The partying and drinking can mess with their performance level and do some lasting damage... but that's probably just a lie, I mean look how healthy partiers like Ric Flair, Jake the Snake, the Hardy Boys, etc are today! Great shining examples of partying it up! Getting out quickly? Yeah, that sucks when they leave before they hit a huge downhill slide. I know I just can't wait to see the wonderful crapfest that is the next Hogan or Flair match - oh, wait, I won't watch it because it's sad. Maybe when an old dude croaks in the ring, then they'll understand that sometimes you have to walk away from a business where the titles are pretend and it doesn't matter compared to your actual health. As for travelling - I don't think I remember the NWA or UWF touring China, England, or really anywhere overseas. Yeah, today's wrestlers have better methods of travel and work for people who want to keep them at their highest level. How dare not do stupid, unnecessary travel and put themselves at risk for injuries and wrecks. Did the drinking and partying ruin alot of these wrestlers-Oh yeah. But these guys were brought up in the skool of hard knocks. You never missed a show and it didn't matter how hung over you were or if you were injured. You toughened it up and worked it out without complaining. Something the newer generation of wrestlers could never have done. Bret Hart went years without a serious injury becausre he was a consumate professional and knew what he was doing. How many times has Cena been injured in his relatively short career that resulted in him being out for 3+ months at a time? Getting out quickly doesn't mean you have to hit your stride and make your money before you fall apart. If they know ring psychology and are able to be the general in a match with their opponent, then they can control the crowd with very simple moves and gestures. Using a high risk and taking a check off your bump card means that you don't understand nor do you care to understand how to keep the crowd into you and eating out of your hand. This is yet another lost art with the younger generation. They are not taught this old skool style of ring presence. Hulk Hogan was not a technical wrestler but he could command more response from the crowd with a nod of his head or flex of his arm than 100 Shotting star presses from Evan Bourne any day. Of course the wrestlers back in the day didn't travel. They didn't have to because it was regional business all around the world. You had to be invited into that territory. Did they go to China and Japan-heck yeah but wrestling as a mainstream source of entertainment was non existant those days in countries like India. Back then though, if you went to China or Japan, you built credability as a wrestler. Today that doesn't mean anything other than asserting the global dominance that is WWE across the globe. You can argue all day that wrestling today is 100 times better than it was back then. I am not disagreeing with that. What I am disagreeing with is that the guys out there today could not hold up under the circumstances and pressures that were asserted to professional wrestling back in the day. Do I want to see someone like Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair or even Kevin Nash getting in the ring today? No. I would prefer they be a beacon or just a mere precense in the orginization. But every wrestler will tell you, once it's in your blood, you can't deny it. The Hardy Boyz are part of that new generation. I am not sure where you got that from. These guys (as I said) can't hold the door for the legends and their track records prove it. When(and you better believe it's a when) Jeff Hardy hits rock bottom, it;s going to be NASTY. But everyone is going to say, I told you so. He's too arrogant to listen. Now his brother is as bad. Either way, I don't think you can put Jake the Snake in the same category as the Hardly Boyz. There is no comparison. But that's not to say that Jake isn't without his demons. But people still remember his name after 20+ years. Can the same be said for Jeff and Matt-I will highly doubt it. |
09-20-2011, 11:07 AM | #2716 |
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09-20-2011, 01:21 PM | #2718 |
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The problem wrestling has today is some people get bored if somebody keeps a belt for longer than a month so the WWE feels obligated to have 6-7 title changes a year. I would prefer Cena and Orton to keep the belt for an extended period of time and have longer feuds rather than dropping the belts every other month to build feuds. I am sorry but Alberto Del Rio and Mark Henry are the two worst champions ever associated with the WWE and World Championships. There have been so many other guys over the years that were great who never got to wear those belts but they give it to those two yo-yos.
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09-20-2011, 01:27 PM | #2719 |
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Now if that stipulation wasn't on the line, then Punk would have won this match. Watch the match and how everybody who interfered was trying to get rid of HHH. Miz and R Truth wanted him gone so they interfered. Laurinitus texted right after HHH got the upper hand and Nash appears. The official comes down to the ring and gets stopped by Laurinitus from making the count on the ring. This is actually setting up to have HHH and CM Punk on the same side instead of being enemies.
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