|07-29-2009, 01:52 PM||#41|
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Rules are rules...but when a coach invites parents to his home, which is private property, which is again not school property...then the property owner has every right to do what he wants on his property as long as it's within the law. Adults drinking alcohol on someones private property has nothing to do with it being a school function. As noted earlier, the "event" was labeled a school function after the fact. It was never sanctioned as such prior to the event.
Since we're debating "who knows what"...where are the rules that indicate a school district employee can't invite parents of children who are in that district to his/her home?
Again..this whole thing stinks of personal agenda IMO.
|07-29-2009, 02:08 PM||#42|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northwood, NH
Rocky, you're kind of confusing the points.
It's the coach's private property which means when people come onto that property they follow his rules, just like HISS Tank is private property and when we come onto the 'Tank we have to follow it's rules.
The coach's home is not the school's private property. They have no say in what he does on his own time and with his own dime.
If they had sponsored the BBQ at his house, then yes, that would classify as a school function since it was sponsored and organized by the school and then it would be subject to school rules.
But where he did it on his own, with his own dime, that is not a school function.
|07-29-2009, 02:21 PM||#43|
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|07-29-2009, 02:27 PM||#44|
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Those school board members need to go to Germany and see how it's done! I went to a high school graduation party a few years ago which was sponsored by the parents and not on school ground. The drinking age for beer is 16 and the hard stuff is 18. They have respect for drinking over there and far fewer driving while intoxicated charges. Any ways while I was at the party the parents teachers and even the school administration were having beverages in celebration of the class finishing! To my surprise two strippers grabbed the male principal and female assistant principal and danced in their laps! I do mean a male and female stripper mind you. They sure know how to celebrate together. It really is sad that someone wanting to push their personal ideas on the district in order to further their career!
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|07-29-2009, 02:38 PM||#45|
Join Date: May 2008
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Here are a few points for all those who say its his home, blah, blah, blah! Just cause you own a home does not mean you can do what you want in said home without consequences. Smoking pot is illegal and you cannot smoke without consequences (if your caught........lol) in your home just because its your home!
If the school allowed the coach to have the cookout at his home but was still an official school function then he agreed to follow the school board rules. NO ALCOHOL! I am not sure why you all are not getting that?
I (again) agree with C.I.A.D. that something fishy is going on but that does not negate his responsibility. In his statement he did not say, "Hey this is a private party, its none of your business" he defended the act that nobody got drunk or that he did not drink. Two points that wold be moot if this were indeed just a party thrown by him. A matter of fact his assistant coach's wife says that in retrospect he should not have allowed the parent to put the beer in the fridge, again enforcing the fact that he did something wrong.
The article does not say: If he paid for everything or the school did. So I don't know why you are assuming it was on his own dime?
Nor that is was a private party. Again the article does not say that it was, it actually says it was a School function per the school. Watch the video it says the source was the school.
And for the record, I agree with you TROYNOS......... I am not arguing how stupid this all is. Just pointing out that if he did break the rules he is subject to their Iron fist no matter how stupid it is......and it is STUPID!
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|07-29-2009, 02:41 PM||#46|
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All I want to say to this is: When I have a cookout I invite MANY people. Since it is at my house I do let the parents know that although they may think it is ok for their child to sip a beer or gulp a wine cooler, it is NOT ok for them to do it at my house. I think that as long as children were NOT drinking then it should just be left alone.
|07-29-2009, 03:26 PM||#47|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northwood, NH
Like I said a couple posts back, there is one piece of information that will decide this one way or the other:
Was it an official school function prior to the parent tattling to the school board?
Yes or no?
My intepretation is that the school board only acknowledged it as a school function AFTER they were told about it, which meant it was a private party they were told, they did something stupid and now have to back it up. Total CYA move.
There is something fishy going on with the parent that tattled. Did the parent seriously have that much of a problem with there being some beer there?
I think part of the alcohol problem here in the states is the way we, as adults, treat it in reference to the children. Like Tall Creeper mentioned, in areas where they are more open about it (not saying we should change the drinking age, but more the attitude towards the image..) they have less issues.
I think hiding the fact that adults have beers now and then is wrong. Showing the kids how to responsibly drink is the way to go.
|07-29-2009, 03:53 PM||#48|
Join Date: May 2008
Location: On break
But ,you know what - you are allowed to make an assumption even if it has no merit other than conjecture. There is not a shred of evidence to support that this was a party that the school board said was a school function after the fact. And to do so would mean you have to ignore that fact that the school board does in fact say its a School Function! Can the school board be lying, hell yes. Does it mean they are........hell no! You just assume they are when nobody even the coach has accused them of lying........ are you a lawyer, you should be.......lol........you almost had me convinced......lol.
Look good judgment is good judgment. I am going to assume that you would have used it.. This coach displayed bad judgment as he should not have allowed alcohol there, period, nada.......nothing. As my boy Robert DeNiro would say....."YOU GOT NOTHIN'"
Hell, if he did (the coach) want it there or had no problem with it being there why did he not provide it himself? Hell any adult that is sponsoring an event that is based around a kids theme knows better than to have alcohol there. But whatever, this is moot as we both agree no matter how you slice it somebody was a Tool and reported him. They should have asked him at the party to remove it if it broke a rule or reminded him if it broke a rule. Neither happened and he is out of a job, for now.
Side note: Come on........Why would you show kids to drink responsible. They are kids and should not do it at all! A better example would be that you don't need to have drinks to have a good time. Either way if a kid is going to drink .... there is no such thing as being responsible!
|07-29-2009, 03:55 PM||#49|
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That dont seem very fair, to fire the coach for something that someone else did.
|07-29-2009, 05:02 PM||#50|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northwood, NH
The Frederick News-Post Online - Frederick County Maryland Daily Newspaper
From the article:
"Young said he could list any number of examples where alcohol is present at or near school athletic functions. He said alcohol is served at most athletic banquets, and cited an instance of a team event at the Cozy restaurant in Thurmont where parents went to the bar to buy drinks and brought them back to tables. Teams also go to a bowling house in Walkersville that serves alcohol.
"We took a group in there one day and used seven lanes," Young said. "The people at the eighth lane were drinking beer -- did we violate the policy then?"
The softball team was recently honored by the Frederick Keys. At the stadium, the students were surrounded by adults drinking beer."
Certainly sounds like someone out to get him.
From the same article:
""The superintendent could be at a Chamber of Commerce meeting sitting next to someone with an alcoholic beverage," Young said of Linda Burgee. "She's there in her official capacity as school superintendent and she's representing the school system.
"Is she in violation of this policy and will she get fired?"
Asked about a similar scenario, Loose refused to discuss it.
"I'm not going to interpret policy," she said.
Asked who could interpret the policy, Loose said, "It's been interpreted and now it's being appealed."
So it was inerpreted just for him?
This BBQ was an annual thing. Why all of a sudden this one year was it a problem?
"By hosting an end-of-season party for his softball team, coach Brad Young turned his home into Frederick County Public Schools property.
Or at least that's the school system's stance.
Young was recently informed by school officials that he will not be rehired as Walkersville High School's softball coach after hosting a party June 11, during which some adults drank beer. Neither Young nor any of his players drank any alcoholic beverages.
The school system determined that Young violated Board Policy 112, which sets the parameters of a drug-free, alcohol-free and tobacco-free workplace and school system.
Young, 44, violated the section of that policy defining school property, schools spokeswoman Marita Loose said Wednesday. In addition to all school buildings and grounds and system-owned or -leased vehicles, the school system defines school property as "any other location where the employee is engaged in official duties."
When Young hosted what Loose called "an official team function," his property became an extension of the school system and was governed by system policies."
I'm still of the opinion that the Board called it an official team function after the fact, and not prior to the incident being reported. Just my interpretation of what I've been reading.
Even if it wasn official, from whats been said, there's been alchohol at other more official events.
But even if official, it's just stupid to fire the guy over it. Reprimend, yes, possibly fine, yes, but fire? That's dumb.
From the parent of one of team:
"Walkersville dairy farmer John Zimmerman, whose daughter Jenna played for Young at Walkersville and now plays for Mount St. Mary's University, had nothing but praise for the coach, saying Young goes out of his way for his young charges.
"He's all the time helping get these girls scholarships," Zimmerman said. "He helped my daughter get one."
Zimmerman cited many examples of other athletic gatherings held in places where alcohol was served, and said he doesn't see the difference.
"The school didn't spend any money on this party, Brad paid for it all," he said. "And it was after the season was over. I think it's a shame that they can tell you what you can do in your own house."
He hosted it, spent his own money and was after the season. How is it in any way an official school function?
The coach and I share the same view:
""We don't give our kids enough credit to do the responsible thing," Young said. "We shouldn't hide things like drinking. Hiding things is what causes trouble. Kids should be able to see adults drinking responsibly.""
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