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07-29-2009, 12:08 PM | #21 |
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The Coach did bring up the idea (which is comparable to his situation) of the School Board President at a Rotary (or something meeting) and someone next to her has an alchoholic beverage. She's there as a representative of the school board, shouldn't she then be fired?
When presented with that comparasion, the school board said "no comment". Was it an official school function? I don't think so. It was at his house, sponsored and paid for by him. It was an end of season celebration for the kids and parents, they were no longer officially his team and he no longer officially their coach. The school saw the potential for bad press and jumped the gun without thinkign it through. Now they do have bad press, just not the kind they thought.
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07-29-2009, 12:08 PM | #22 |
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No different that any bbq, or block party I have been too. If the coach didn't provide it or serve it to minors, the school has absolutely no say in the manner. The school didn't organize the cookout, and it wasn't a mandatory school event so I say they are in the wrong.
Just my opinion.
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07-29-2009, 12:14 PM | #23 |
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The Coach did bring up the idea (which is comparable to his situation) of the School Board President at a Rotary (or something meeting) and someone next to her has an alchoholic beverage. She's there as a representative of the school board, shouldn't she then be fired?
When presented with that comparasion, the school board said "no comment". Was it an official school function? I don't think so. It was at his house, sponsored and paid for by him. It was an end of season celebration for the kids and parents, they were no longer officially his team and he no longer officially their coach. The school saw the potential for bad press and jumped the gun without thinkign it through. Now they do have bad press, just not the kind they thought. |
07-29-2009, 12:24 PM | #24 |
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The full quote is:
"But another parent called the Frederick County School Board, which tells FOX 5, "The incident in question took place at what is considered an official team function."" The school board is calling it an official school function, the coach wasn't. The school board has to call it that, especially after the fact, or they don't have a leg to stand on (and they already have a very thin one as it is). I've never been to an official school function that happened at a person's private residence, and was paid for and organized by the person out of their own time and pocket. An official school function, by my definition, is one held at the school or somewhere the school rents (say a park maybe) and is paid and organized by the school. And no, I wouldn't bring beer to it. A backyard BBQ at the coach's own house, after the season, to celebrate the season, sure, why not, would kind of expect the parents to have some beer there. When I coached and we were "on the clock" (meaning at practice, game, etc..) there was no beer or anything, but if we were at the Organization Head's own home (this was a non-school team) discussing fundraisers, teams, etc.. then there was beer and such.
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07-29-2009, 12:32 PM | #25 |
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So you used intelligent judgment every time and you have never had an issue I am going to assume. This coach did not use good judgment and did something you would not do because you know its not smart and he got in trouble. Where is the argument here?
As far as what your definition on what an official school function is pointless as you have no pull or say so, nor do I. So we have to rely on what the school says and as of right now they are saying it was! So with that argument....... the question to you is simple: Would you bring beer to a school function regardless of where it was at? |
07-29-2009, 12:40 PM | #26 |
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This is a case of people over reacting again.
So what if they decided to have it at Applebee's? They have beer there. This is something the coach did on his dime, and there has been no report of the kids actually drinking said beer. One cannot be responsible for something another person does without his/her knowledge. The coach did not commit any wrong doing. Go after the parent that brought the beer, not the man paying for something out of his own pocket for the kids. EDIT: and no, I do not think it is appropriate to bring beer to something like that.
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07-29-2009, 12:43 PM | #27 |
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Cut and dry. Kids shouldn't drink. None of them did. It was supervised. Not an official school function. The guy should still have his job.
That school was just trying to protect it's ass.
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07-29-2009, 12:53 PM | #28 |
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He didn't get fired because a parent brought beer. He got fired because he allowed the beer to stay. If he would have told the parent "please put that back in your car" then that would have been the end of it.
Here's news for those of you not in education. A teacher can be fired for sitting on their front porch and drinking a beer in some states. Teachers are expected to be role models so they are held to a higher level of accountability. The same is true of coaches in many places.
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07-29-2009, 12:56 PM | #29 |
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So you used intelligent judgment every time and you have never had an issue I am going to assume. This coach did not use good judgment and did something you would not do because you know its not smart and he got in trouble. Where is the argument here?
As far as what your definition on what an official school function is pointless as you have no pull or say so, nor do I. So we have to rely on what the school says and as of right now they are saying it was! So with that argument....... the question to you is simple: Would you bring beer to a school function regardless of where it was at? So why are you defending the school board? This really seems like a case of some influential parent being spiteful to the coach for some reason. My family has many teachers and from experience, school board members are not neccessarily working for the schools, students, or teachers, but to implement ideas and teaching strategies that will forward their careers, regardless of effectiveness and to play PR with the parents. This isn't always true of course, and different boards work in different ways, but I'm just wondering why he should have been fired? Disciplined, sure, but fired is a bit strong for the offence. |
07-29-2009, 12:58 PM | #30 |
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So you used intelligent judgment every time and you have never had an issue I am going to assume. This coach did not use good judgment and did something you would not do because you know its not smart and he got in trouble. Where is the argument here?
As far as what your definition on what an official school function is pointless as you have no pull or say so, nor do I. So we have to rely on what the school says and as of right now they are saying it was! So with that argument....... the question to you is simple: Would you bring beer to a school function regardless of where it was at? The school board called it a school function only after they found out about it. If that one parent hadn't tattled, there never would have been anything made about this. They're saying it was a school function, after the fact. That's a CYA move if I ever saw one.
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