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06-07-2009, 09:22 AM | #281 |
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? say what? I was replying to someone's else remark about that other gov't control agencies are not efficient.
I am not commenting on my own. The other funny thing is, I am agreeing with people here about how it won't work, and the people I agree with are disagreeing with me. Not sure how that works. |
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06-07-2009, 09:51 AM | #282 |
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For all the "millions" without healthcare, I wonder how many have cell phones?
Things that you never paid for 30 years ago Cable Internet Cell Phone Satellite radio Movie service subscriptions (netflix etc..) Is it the high cost of living, or is it the cost of living high that is the problem. Back on September 14th of last year when the high winds from the hurricane reached way farther west than normal thousands of households lost power. I live in Cincinnati and the winds were strong enough here to blow the gutters off of my house, it was crazy. In the poorer "bad" neighborhoods in and around the city they got the power back on in less than 24 hours. The chaos and looting would have gotten out of control if they hadn't. By the next day the county was giving a whole month worth of extra food stamps to people who were on them who may or may not have lost a refrigerator full of food due to the power outage. The line at the welfare office stretched for two city blocks. I saw news footage (at a friends house, I had no power) and most of these people were talking and texting on cell phones and wearing designer clothes and to top it all off most of them were fat. I live in an affluent suburb of Cincinnati and my power was out for eight days. I lost a refrigerator full of food and since I work and bought it myself no one offered to replace mine. Seeing that line and all the people in it with their fancy flipout keyboard cellphones that had grown fat on my tax dollars lined up to get extra just infuriated me. After seeing this I really started to have the "screw my fellow man" mentality.
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06-07-2009, 11:23 AM | #284 |
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Back on September 14th of last year when the high winds from the hurricane reached way farther west than normal thousands of households lost power. I live in Cincinnati and the winds were strong enough here to blow the gutters off of my house, it was crazy. In the poorer "bad" neighborhoods in and around the city they got the power back on in less than 24 hours. The chaos and looting would have gotten out of control if they hadn't. By the next day the county was giving a whole month worth of extra food stamps to people who were on them who may or may not have lost a refrigerator full of food due to the power outage. The line at the welfare office stretched for two city blocks. I saw news footage (at a friends house, I had no power) and most of these people were talking and texting on cell phones and wearing designer clothes and to top it all off most of them were fat. I live in an affluent suburb of Cincinnati and my power was out for eight days. I lost a refrigerator full of food and since I work and bought it myself no one offered to replace mine. Seeing that line and all the people in it with their fancy flipout keyboard cellphones that had grown fat on my tax dollars lined up to get extra just infuriated me. After seeing this I really started to have the "screw my fellow man" mentality.
It really sucks that stuff like this turns off people from helping those who really need it. Most want to end all government programs that help the poor because they only hear about the people who take advantage of them. I wish the government could in some way be more diligent in how it gives out this help, but it's a pipe dream.
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06-07-2009, 11:56 AM | #285 |
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The rant I am about to go on is a little off the health care topic but relates directly to this post.
Back on September 14th of last year when the high winds from the hurricane reached way farther west than normal thousands of households lost power. I live in Cincinnati and the winds were strong enough here to blow the gutters off of my house, it was crazy. In the poorer "bad" neighborhoods in and around the city they got the power back on in less than 24 hours. The chaos and looting would have gotten out of control if they hadn't. By the next day the county was giving a whole month worth of extra food stamps to people who were on them who may or may not have lost a refrigerator full of food due to the power outage. The line at the welfare office stretched for two city blocks. I saw news footage (at a friends house, I had no power) and most of these people were talking and texting on cell phones and wearing designer clothes and to top it all off most of them were fat. I live in an affluent suburb of Cincinnati and my power was out for eight days. I lost a refrigerator full of food and since I work and bought it myself no one offered to replace mine. Seeing that line and all the people in it with their fancy flipout keyboard cellphones that had grown fat on my tax dollars lined up to get extra just infuriated me. After seeing this I really started to have the "screw my fellow man" mentality. Now I work for a boating company and we are on Workshare. Basically I work 3 days a week and get paid unemployment for 2 days. So far it has been 4 weeks since I received a payment from the state. I try to call the state and all they tell me is not to call them unless I am the employer. Luckily I work for cash on the side mowing lawns, cleaning gutters, general hand man stuff. I advertise with family and freinds. But what gets me is I have paid in for so long and this is what I get. Yet I see worthless people out there taking from my tax dollar and livng beyond their means. Sometimes I too get the feeling I really hate my fellow man for this. Why people like you and me get the shaft?? I don't want the best of things in the world, I just want what I need, like a home over my head, and good meal and a job. Now my job is maybe not going to be there. But by damn, I will find work and not let someone else take care of me. Taking care of me is my responsibly and not the states or someone else s. |
06-07-2009, 12:38 PM | #286 |
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Please consider this.
For every person that is receiving government assistance (and totally playing the system) the is a company or corporation getting amazing tax breaks, finding tax loopholes etc... to the tune of billions of dollars. Yes. There are people taking advantage of the system. But there are people taking advantage of the system in every level. I hate the idea of just giving stuff to people that don't deserve it. But equally, I hate idea of not giving something to someone that is very deserving. It is trying to find a balance that is the most difficult. Just trying to see who can be loudest on their point is not a discussion. That only happens when both sides are allowed to present the case, and actually discuss things. Crunch numbers. Bring in variables. An actual discussion. Going into it with an absolute mindset for or against is pointless. If one way or the other was perfect, that system would already be in place because it would be self evident. |
06-07-2009, 01:48 PM | #287 |
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Internet = $20 month Cell Phone (2 lines) = $50 month Satellite radio = i dont have it but i think its like 20 bucks a month Movie service subscriptions (netflix etc..) = around $10 a month total $150 a month. total im having to pay so my family of 2 kids and a wife and me have health insurance? over $750 a month. what it cost to have insurance 30 years ago? = a fraction of that sorry but its not living high. its greed on the insurance companies and pharmacuticals. i read somewere it only costs (drugs, bottle, cotton ect) 15 cents or less to make a bottle of tylenol but they charge 3-4.00 a bottle in the stores. again greed.
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06-07-2009, 01:54 PM | #288 |
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Cable = $50 month
Internet = $20 month Cell Phone (2 lines) = $50 month Satellite radio = i dont have it but i think its like 20 bucks a month Movie service subscriptions (netflix etc..) = around $10 a month total $150 a month. total im having to pay so my family of 2 kids and a wife and me have health insurance? over $750 a month. what it cost to have insurance 30 years ago? = a fraction of that sorry but its not living high. its greed on the insurance companies and pharmacuticals. i read somewere it only costs (drugs, bottle, cotton ect) 15 cents or less to make a bottle of tylenol but they charge 3-4.00 a bottle in the stores. again greed. Action figure cost .50ยข to make and sell for $8.00 SUPER greed The thing that does show the Big Pharma greed though is how Tylenol can make it's own package and then make the same product in a store brand for half the price. Only idiots, and I do in fact mean idiots, buy name brand stuff like that. It is the same company spitting it out into the bottles just different labels. |
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06-07-2009, 02:28 PM | #289 |
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The rant I am about to go on is a little off the health care topic but relates directly to this post.
Back on September 14th of last year when the high winds from the hurricane reached way farther west than normal thousands of households lost power. I live in Cincinnati and the winds were strong enough here to blow the gutters off of my house, it was crazy. In the poorer "bad" neighborhoods in and around the city they got the power back on in less than 24 hours. The chaos and looting would have gotten out of control if they hadn't. By the next day the county was giving a whole month worth of extra food stamps to people who were on them who may or may not have lost a refrigerator full of food due to the power outage. The line at the welfare office stretched for two city blocks. I saw news footage (at a friends house, I had no power) and most of these people were talking and texting on cell phones and wearing designer clothes and to top it all off most of them were fat. I live in an affluent suburb of Cincinnati and my power was out for eight days. I lost a refrigerator full of food and since I work and bought it myself no one offered to replace mine. Seeing that line and all the people in it with their fancy flipout keyboard cellphones that had grown fat on my tax dollars lined up to get extra just infuriated me. After seeing this I really started to have the "screw my fellow man" mentality. my family has hit hard times. pay cuts, insruance raised at the same time, ect. we went looking for help from the government. actually it was the state but whatever. we got our paperwork and everything, we had all the proof to show by the time we paid our major bills and insurance and mortgage we dont have crap to buy food or anything else. we were told we made too much. 200 to much a month to even qualify for wic for the kids. i left there and took a look in the room. as stated, designer clothes, cell phones, ect. all of these guys there had more disposable income then we did and we were working our asses off to survive. but hey why work if the gevernment will pay for your food, medical, shelter, buss fair, bills, ect. it pissed me off. i felt like walking out, turning around and saying your welcome to all the free loaders in the room. times have gotten worse for us again (took another paycut and insurance went up again). i may retry wic for the kids. thing that really pisses me is both me and the wife have paid into taxes for years and when we got to get temporary help we are told nope you make too much. but they still take it out of my checks and if i refuse to pay for it i get penalized. its a jacked up system. oh yeah upon leaving i saw a guy who was int he offices with us drive away in a brand new lincoln while we drive away in our 10 yr old car. yeah hes hard up :(
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Action figures cost more than 50 cents to produce.
Other factors go into them. Everything prior to the plastic being injected into the molds costs money. R&D Pre Production design Pre Production sculpts All of the various stuff that occurs for the prototype. Creation of Tooling Testing of tooling Press time and materials for tooling tests. Press time for the Press being used Labor time for set up by mold techs Labor time for Material Handlers Labor time for Operators of Press Labor time for QC Labor time for secondary operations (paint apps etc) Labor time for packaging. Packaging costs (design of packaging, mock ups, Printing, the actual packaging process itself) Shipping from China to US. Shipping from Docks to distributors. Shipping from Distributors to warehouses Shipping from warehouses to retailers. Things like basic Tylenol have been using the same recipe for years. Their only new costs would come from research, new product development, packaging etc. I think the funniest thing about insurance is that it is something that you pay for and hope you never have to use. If you do use it, it becomes more expensive. (I had a guitar stolen and received a replacement. Our cost immediately jumped by 15 percent the next billing cycle) And for health insurance, in order to get a good rate, you have to be in great health. I'm asthmatic and hypothyroid. Been both since childhood. I had to jump through a lot of hoops a couple years ago to be covered on my wife's insurance. Because I had a pre-existing condition. I'm starting to think that the mafia is in charge of health insurance. |
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