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12-26-2008, 05:34 PM | #1 |
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It has been the whisperings of conspiracy theorists for many years, but recent comments by such members of congress as Brad Sherman and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has made the possibility of a police state a frightening reality. With the threat of economic collapse and the growing distain with the questionable decisions being made by our government the possibility of them over riding posse comitatis and sending our own military into US cities and towns to "quell civil unrest" is becoming very real.
Now the question: If you are currently active in the military, as I know a lot of you are, how far are you willing to follow your orders when turned against American Citizens? Are you willing to circumvent the constitution because the Commander and Chief at the time declares it legal? To the Moderators, I hope this thread does not infringe upon the political discussion guidelines you have set up although I realize it walks a fine line. I am not looking for political opinion or discussion here just the point of view from the solders that may be asked to do this for whatever reason. footnote: I know that some feel this is conspiracy theory BS and I am well aware of this so treat the question as a what if scenario and not fact. And please don't get the thread shut down because of unrestrained political opinion. Thank you. |
12-26-2008, 05:42 PM | #2 |
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I'm not active duty, but my feeling is that if you do some "civil unrest" that warrants action (I'm talking violent protests and voilent actions) then I don't care if it's the polic, the military or the national guard as long as someone puts 'em down.
I'm not saying that protesting and complaining or anything like that is wrong, but there's a way to do it. The second the protest does something to endanger innocent bystanders then it crossed the line.
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12-26-2008, 05:43 PM | #3 |
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It has been the whisperings of conspiracy theorists for many years, but recent comments by such members of congress as Brad Sherman and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has made the possibility of a police state a frightening reality. With the threat of economic collapse and the growing distain with the questionable decisions being made by our government the possibility of them over riding posse comitatis and sending our own military into US cities and towns to "quell civil unrest" is becoming very real.
Now the question: If you are currently active in the military, as I know a lot of you are, how far are you willing to follow your orders when turned against American Citizens? Are you willing to circumvent the constitution because the Commander and Chief at the time declares it legal? To the Moderators, I hope this thread does not infringe upon the political discussion guidelines you have set up although I realize it walks a fine line. I am not looking for political opinion or discussion here just the point of view from the solders that may be asked to do this for whatever reason. footnote: I know that some feel this is conspiracy theory BS and I am well aware of this so treat the question as a what if scenario and not fact. And please don't get the thread shut down because of unrestrained political opinion. Thank you. OK: I'm an officer in the Army, let's leave it at that. So what if, huh? Here's the what if: Military leaders, be they officers or non-commissioned officers, HAVE BRAINS. They have read the constitution, and they know what an UNLAWFUL order is. We are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to DISOBEY UNLAWFUL ORDERS. That's the end of that consipiracy theory.
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12-26-2008, 05:45 PM | #4 |
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This topic is asking for trouble, given it is specualtion for one and asking for speuclative input since the scenario inplied is subject to fictional events thus fueling the conspiracy.
Until there are riots in the streets and we see more signs of said police state it would all be too politically fueld for a simple question. Be best to stick with a Tom Clancy book or Joe Comic |
12-26-2008, 05:50 PM | #5 |
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its not a matter of if cival unrest will happen. its when.
case in point. you all wonder why the government is so happy to bail out all these banks and whatnot with trillions of american dollars? because they dont intend on paying it out for long. dont believe me? google AMERO summary, a new form of currency that IS IN PRINT. this combines currency for mexico, america, and canada. thus making the american dollar (and all the trillions in debt) extinct. this will reset the economy. its only a matter of time (i expect once barack goes into office) before its rolled out. this has its advantages and disavantages. i do expect major protesting once it goes into effect.
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12-26-2008, 05:56 PM | #6 |
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No it's not! it's only as political as you make it! (Crimson guard)
What I am looking for is exactly what col Abernathy has responded with! At no point do I speculate or condone speculation. I just want to know how the people who follow the orders would react in the (probably highly unlikely event) something like this were to take place! just chill, and read the question carefully. |
12-26-2008, 05:58 PM | #7 |
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12-26-2008, 06:04 PM | #8 |
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I agree any act that my cause harm to anyone should be stopped! that goes without question. But would an order to round up citizens legal firearms as a "precaution" would that be considered an illegal order?
and no I still am not speculating and fear mongering, this did happen during Katrina to an extent. What I am really looking for is how far would you allow it to go? |
12-26-2008, 06:14 PM | #9 |
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after 9-11 bush unintentionaly (or intentionaly, it depends on who you talk too) put a few things in order to deal with terrorism. one is the ability to take arms away in an event of an emergency, another lets the police (or military i think) hold you for your religiuos beliefs for i think 48 hrs or longer. this was done in response to the extreme muslims to fight terror in america. problem is that the order doesnt specify what religion thus giving the law the ability to hold you based on any religion. i havnt heard it being used that way but it is on the books. if this thread stays open ill try to find some material explaining it more. that said it really puts the troops in a perdicament. yes they can say no. problem is depending on how the orders are worded they may get court martialed for denying to follow. will it come to that i dont know. i really hope not. i hope these holes are addressed and closed before something bad happens. time will tell.
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12-26-2008, 06:16 PM | #10 |
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I think it would be awhile before any active duty military would be called in for domestic operations, that's what the National Guard is for and they'd be called up first.
And dealing with civil unrest is part of the Guard's job.
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