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12-12-2008, 03:54 PM | #41 |
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LMAO! GM is closing 20 plants but..but...but the employees it's "laying off" will still receive a paycheck. Oh and they'll qualify for unemployment benefits because, according to GM, they're laid off. I cannot believe there are people sitting here even arguing that the big 3 deserve tax payer dollars when they have policies like this in place. How many small businesses do you think continued to pay the employees they laid off this year? I'd almost bet the answer will hover right around, none. Why? Because the whole point of laying folks off is to save money. If you continue paying them then you have not really saved a thing.
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12-12-2008, 03:59 PM | #42 |
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YES! on the bail out.
all those that complain about the union.........remember your jobs can be done for lower wages too. keep sending your money to china for plastic men and japan for your cars.......so they take that money and help out their auto industry. guess we should all work for minimum wage and NO benefits. I hate to tell you if the factory worker worked for FREE the price of that car wouldn't drop one cent. the CEO would just get a bigger bonus. One of the reasons the bailout package did not get passed was because the Union refused to take a pay cut to match what the Japanese automakers are paying non-union workers. We'll F*** them. The problem right now is people are not looking at the greater good and are out to protect their greed. Yeah, they'll take a pay cut but it's better than not getting anything at all By the way, just so you know Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. builds most of their cars (for sale in the US market) here in the US. And GM also builds a lot of thier cars in Canada and Mexico. Last edited by Ixz72; 12-12-2008 at 04:02 PM.. |
12-12-2008, 04:01 PM | #43 |
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Screw the BIG 3 !! I hope they don't get their money. The union workers refused to take a pay cut... well guess what.. get ready to flip those burgers!! I would take a pay cut just because I would have a job and still have money rolling in... but NOOOOO. People have to be greedy and then that greed is gonna bite you in the ass. And I don't know why the CEO's need their damn money. They should have received enough money in the past five years to last them the next 100 years! So I don't feel sorry for their ass either!
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12-12-2008, 04:06 PM | #44 |
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Right...
Don't think I can talk about this subject and keep my cool...!? So I'm just going to read and yell at my cat... |
12-12-2008, 04:10 PM | #45 |
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12-12-2008, 04:12 PM | #46 |
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Bailouts happen constantly. Well maybe not constantly, but much, much more often than the public seems to be aware of. Maybe they aren't on as large a scale as the $700 billion for the financial institutions, but they're out there. If you've ridden on a train or plane in your life in this country, you've taken advantage of an industry kept afloat by bailouts.
The ultimate fact of the matter, to me, is that the Big 3 going under can have a ripple effect of up to two million jobs lost. And that's not just those 3 companies; think of their suppliers of parts, and the people who supply resources and machines and maintenance and so on to said suppliers. Once all thosejobs are wiped out, many many thousands follow in the service industries. You're talking about pushing nationwide employment up the ramp towards 10%. And unemployment that high means crime, inflation, and bad times for everyone. Reluctantly, holding my nose and hating the CEO who makes $200 million a year, I say yes. And it is very easy for those lacking compassion or critical thinking skills or the basic education necessary to understand cause and effect to say "BURY THEM KILL LOL LOL I HATE FATCATS HAR HAR HAR" but the fact of the matter is that if the Big 3 go tits up the recession gets wider, deeper, and longer for everyone. Edit: Also, of course the UAW needs to be willing to make cuts, but they won't. Remember, though, that the companies are not the union; the companies are saddled with the union contract they agreed to, foolishly, in better times...but the companies are not the union. And this from someone who is adamantly and deeply pro-union.
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12-12-2008, 04:13 PM | #48 |
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Your "business venture" doesn't affect millions of people. If they Big 3 fail, it affects businesses all across this country. It will cost hundreds of thousands their jobs. This "screw them and let them rot" mentality is just ridiculous. We bailed out these banks and financial institutions only to watch them blow their money again on stupid getaways and crap. The Big 3 deserve the chance to prove themselves. If you think the economy is bad now, wait for them to fall. It will be worse, MUCH worse.
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It's a very complex issue. I hold this close to my heart as my job deals with the automotive industry directly, plus I live in Michigan & see what the past few years has done to this state. The logical side of me says there needs to be an end to this & to let these businesses die. Unfortunately, so many people have made their livings riding on the coat tails or directly because of the idiotic business practices of the big three. Not just in the automotive industry, but transportation, travel, marketing, consumer, you name it. Most other industries expanded exponentially & artificially because everyone was doing so well(or so everybody thought) I agree, the entire economy needs to right size but snapping it back in one swoop will cause more damage than has already been done. 14 billion isn't that much money, especially when you consider how much money we send to other countries for foreign aid, or spend on Iraq. We need to bring that money back & hopefully restore or replace these aging industries with new ones so we can move forward. This really is that dire of an issue. & please don't blame the people who live & work here like it's their fault. The workers have no control over this. The people who live here didn't decide that the Big 3 would make bad business decisions for years.
exactly!...ALL of you guys have no idea how far this will trickle down, no idea!...there are so many other companies that depend on the auto industry that it's not even funny...if the Big 3 go, so do the little guys that make their livelyhood off of them, as well as their employess...then there is the trucking industry, the rail industry, everything!...when all of the people that loose their jobs from direct connections to the Big 3 stop spending money as they don't have any, all sort of indirect jobs will go under too...the benifits will be gone so you know someone who is a hygenist?...she may loose her job... the Big 3 MADE the middle class! Quote:
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YES! on the bail out.
all those that complain about the union.........remember your jobs can be done for lower wages too. keep sending your money to china for plastic men and japan for your cars.......so they take that money and help out their auto industry. guess we should all work for minimum wage and NO benefits. I hate to tell you if the factory worker worked for FREE the price of that car wouldn't drop one cent. the CEO would just get a bigger bonus. |
12-12-2008, 04:17 PM | #49 |
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LMAO! GM is closing 20 plants but..but...but the employees it's "laying off" will still receive a paycheck. Oh and they'll qualify for unemployment benefits because, according to GM, they're laid off. I cannot believe there are people sitting here even arguing that the big 3 deserve tax payer dollars when they have policies like this in place. How many small businesses do you think continued to pay the employees they laid off this year? I'd almost bet the answer will hover right around, none. Why? Because the whole point of laying folks off is to save money. If you continue paying them then you have not really saved a thing.
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12-12-2008, 04:17 PM | #50 |
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Give the money to Toyota instead!!
Just kidding! Anyway, I think they should take back the money they gave to the housing lenders & give it to the big 3! First of all Chevy needs to get rid of Saturn & that piece of crap Malibu, redesign the butt ugly trucks they are coming out with, & maybe even sell Hummer if they haven't already...OH YEA! And come out with the Camaro already!!! Geeze! Dodge needs to redesign the Charger & make their Ram transmissions more reliable. Ford... well they are doing just fine. |
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