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12-13-2008, 01:23 AM | #121 |
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Here are some of the problems with the Big 3.....
1: They have been arrogant. They have always thought that they have been about any other companies in the world. Even in our own country, Tucker is one if you don't know history. Also look at Hudson, Packard (who bought Studebaker), Frazier-kaiser. None of them got help from anyone to stay in business. More not saved by the government... A little info I found interesting... As an independent automaker, Packard did not have the luxury of a larger corporate structure absorbing its losses, as Cadillac did with GM and Lincoln with Ford. However, Packard did have a better cash position than other independent luxury marques. Peerless fell under receivership in 1929 and ceased production in 1932. By 1938, Franklin, Marmon, Ruxton, Stearns-Knight, Stutz, Duesenberg, and Pierce-Arrow had all closed. 2: Antiquated technology... All of you know that they have had better stuff out there. If you don't think they do, your naive. The best example is Saturn's EV1. They said the car would not sell because people didn't want it and it cost to much... Yeah it cost a lot, it was hand made! Not mass production.. People didn't want it because they told everyone the bad things about it. Well, if you were told that a Chevy truck will need oil changes, U-joints, air filters.... bla bla bla... 3: Cost.. Ok, I can see wanting to make good money, but $70 an hr to build a car is ridiculous. It does not take a Harvard education to put a car together. It's not just the fact that they are broke that the little companies will go under. It's the fact that no one is buying cars right now. I talked to a co-workers boy friend. He worked for a GM dealer in Kent and they just closed their doors. He said they could not sell a car, nor pay the bills they had...
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12-13-2008, 01:26 AM | #122 |
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one small problem, none of the current CEO's have the intelligence of Iacocca. There is plenty of blame to go around from the CEO's to the UAW. The uaw's did their job to get the best contracts they could but at the same time they are helping to make the big three go out of business. I have family members that work for the car companies and are card carrying members of the UAW. I also recognize that the problem from the big three go all the way from top to bottom. They simply cant compete with other car manufacturers who dont have to put up with certain aspects of the UAW. Concessions have to be made Iacocca was a genius at what he did PLUS he didnt get the bailout that the current heads want. He built back Chrysler. I dont think that the problem is only the uaw by any means however i feel they have some blame in this. I also dont want to see any jobs get cut. however i think most people understand radical changes MUST be made. Certain CEO;s need to go as well if they havent done their job, however thats up to the board of directors and stock holders not the government.
They need oversight, they need new guidelines, and hopefully our government will be able to help them do that. Whether is Republican, Democrat, conservative or liberal......the time for blame is past, and we need to work forward to fix the problem. Up until last year, I owned my own business as well. I was forced to close it because of the poor Michigan economy. Would I have liked a bailout? Certainly. Did I deserve a bailout? No, no one does.....if you can't cut it as a company, then you shouldn't be in business. It's a vicious circle. If companies continue to close/downsize/outsource, then no one here will have jobs. If no one here has a job to make money, then no one will buy their products. It's a symbiotic relationship. Neither side can prosper if one side can't keep up their end of the business bargain. No one sees that far into the future because they are only concerned with the here and now. The "future" will soon be the "here and now". If a dummy like me can see that, why can't those directly involved with the crisis see it?
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12-13-2008, 01:27 AM | #123 |
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12-13-2008, 01:28 AM | #124 |
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I will back both of these members and if you want to find out more I suggest you look it up!! These two know what they are talking about! We are talking about regular people being out of jobs if you let these 3 go down! I am not trying to say that we can't go in a new different direction and try to look for a new energy source. We certainly need to rid ourselves of our oil addiction, and move to a new renewable source of energy! I hope that people don't continue to blame the unions for this mess, which is unfair!!
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12-13-2008, 01:30 AM | #125 |
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Domion effect one falls watch out they all start falling sending the US back 100 years. Todays global economy is very fragile and all of them are deeply woven supporting each other. So yes if you want to go back to six shooters, horses, and living off the land by all means lets watch it crash and burn and see who makes it out alive. Or go out and buy that new Ford, GM, or Chrysler and lets bounce the economy back. |
12-13-2008, 01:30 AM | #126 |
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That sounds like it might be a computer tech hourly wage at an auto factory, not the line worker.
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12-13-2008, 01:34 AM | #127 |
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Here are some of the problems with the Big 3.....
1: They have been arrogant. They have always thought that they have been about any other companies in the world. Even in our own country, Tucker is one if you don't know history. Also look at Hudson, Packard (who bought Studebaker), Frazier-kaiser. None of them got help from anyone to stay in business. More not saved by the government... A little info I found interesting... As an independent automaker, Packard did not have the luxury of a larger corporate structure absorbing its losses, as Cadillac did with GM and Lincoln with Ford. However, Packard did have a better cash position than other independent luxury marques. Peerless fell under receivership in 1929 and ceased production in 1932. By 1938, Franklin, Marmon, Ruxton, Stearns-Knight, Stutz, Duesenberg, and Pierce-Arrow had all closed. 2: Antiquated technology... All of you know that they have had better stuff out there. If you don't think they do, your naive. The best example is Saturn's EV1. They said the car would not sell because people didn't want it and it cost to much... Yeah it cost a lot, it was hand made! Not mass production.. People didn't want it because they told everyone the bad things about it. Well, if you were told that a Chevy truck will need oil changes, U-joints, air filters.... bla bla bla... 3: Cost.. Ok, I can see wanting to make good money, but $70 an hr to build a car is ridiculous. It does not take a Harvard education to put a car together. It's not just the fact that they are broke that the little companies will go under. It's the fact that no one is buying cars right now. I talked to a co-workers boy friend. He worked for a GM dealer in Kent and they just closed their doors. He said they could not sell a car, nor pay the bills they had... |
12-13-2008, 01:40 AM | #128 |
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Right and if you have seen "Who killed the electric car" you will be pissed as I was! It is a great movie and I certainly hope the big 3 take it and run with it. We should be trying to change the law as Pres. Carter did with fuel standards and cars. We haven't done that in some time so look at that and we can make some ground. I don't care how you vote we need to move forward in a positive direction and get this country back to where we were as leaders in the world!
And yes, I agree with you. Fuel standards are horrible. Why it it that we still only have a average under 40MPG? Did any of you know about "who killed the Electric street car"?... A car company, oil company, and a tire company did it... Now look at what it like with out them...
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12-13-2008, 01:40 AM | #129 |
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Right and if you have seen "Who killed the electric car" you will be pissed as I was! It is a great movie and I certainly hope the big 3 take it and run with it. We should be trying to change the law as Pres. Carter did with fuel standards and cars. We haven't done that in some time so look at that and we can make some ground. I don't care how you vote we need to move forward in a positive direction and get this country back to where we were as leaders in the world!
My friend is a production sound mixer, and has worked on many feature and documentary productions. I've boomed with him on a couple of features, and we've talked at great length about documentaries. Most are false. Most documentaries will twist facts to support their production. I'm not saying that "Who Killed the Electric Car" was a lie, just that only the facts to make GM look really, really bad were probably used. I hope that I'm wrong. We're all to blame. We bought the SUV's, we bought the muscle cars, we only want the economic cars when we are on the brink of financial crisis. There is plenty of blame to go around, but now is the time to solve the problem.
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12-13-2008, 01:46 AM | #130 |
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I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the average UAW member only makes $34 an hour after benefits, some more, many more even less. I've never known an assembly line worker to make $70 and hour.
That sounds like it might be a computer tech hourly wage at an auto factory, not the line worker. One little example. Look at a door handle from 1990 Nissan and then look at one on a Chevy. Or even look at one from a 2000... It pathetic. I would like to know how many of you work on cars at all. I always cringe when a American car rolls in. They can't make a car easy to work on to save their life...
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