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06-10-2009, 12:24 PM | #1821 |
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06-10-2009, 12:36 PM | #1822 |
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06-10-2009, 05:42 PM | #1823 |
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I'm sure the Pens fans are more than happy to let the Refs call the games poorly when it works in their favor, but when the (very PIT friendly) national commentators are repeatedly saying "that goalie interference call on Zetterberg was bogus" (which it absolutely was) and "oh, refs missed another high (dirty) hit or intereference by the Pens" and "the refs are not calling the games well," that should tell you something. Not that the Wings should need to rely on perfect (or even good) officiating to win, but it really screws with your momentum when the refs are being stupid, especially in the first period and especially on the road.
But the Pens played their game last night, and did it well. They hit hard and often, and got depth goals when their top guns were shut out again. What won them the game was the defensive support they gave Fleury all night. Except for a couple times, the PIT defense were setting up multiple layers of protection to keep the shots on Fleury way down (kinda like what the Wings have done over the years to try to protect Osgood). They blocked more shots than he stopped for most of the game. Kudos to them. And Scuderi's multiple saves when Fleury was down and out at the end was world class (shades of Zetterberg earlier in the series). Without that and Fleury's big stop on Cleary's breakaway, the game at least goes OT or the Wings win. So Fleury was "good enough" and "made timely saves" (like people always say about Ozzie). What's up with the Jekyl and Hyde with Flower anyway? He's great at home, not so much away. Is it him, or his defense? Either way, that has to be a bit worrisome for the Pens. But at least they made it to 7. Like I said before, now any fluke, any bad call, any strange bounce can mean the cup. The Wings could have won with just three goals last night (not usually all that difficult for them), but now have to play perfect to win it. And what is up with Hossa? Dude is barely a threat. He makes it back to the big dance and then barely shows up for the games. He was the Pens' best clutch performer last season, but can barely get a shot this series. If the Wings lose, he gets at least part of the blame, and should not be back next season. He's supposed to be a big gamer, a go to guy, but he has been neither in this series, when he should have all the motivation in the world (supposedly that's why he came to DET) and has been to the finals before. No excuses, Marian. Your team needs you. Perform. Dance, monkey. Dance... (Bonus points if you recognize the reference.) As for the flower, he's kinda always been a Jekyl and Hyde goalie. I agree with you that it was the Pens defense that won the game. Scuderi made two saves that insured the victory for the Pens. God, I hope they can sign him this offseason. The real question is can the Pens win on the road? Neither team as looked good on the road in the finals the last two years. I hope it's a good game, but even more I hope you guys get to see Crosby hoist the cup. |
06-10-2009, 06:42 PM | #1824 |
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I dread the NHL's advertising if the Pens win the Cup. Crosby gets crammed down our eye sockets enough as it is. There are other world class athletes in the NHL.
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06-10-2009, 10:59 PM | #1825 |
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Bad calls or not, it's been an issue all season long. The refs are supposed to call the game by the same standards every game, and that's not the case. Pit played better than Det, I'll give them that much. I don't think they stand a chance against Detroit at home. I'll also back up Thunderdan about Hossa. The guy came here to win the Cup, and he's not doing much to help achieve that goal. No pun intended. I hate all game 7's, it makes it hard to watch the game when I'm on the edge of my seat. I guess NBC, and Gary Bettman have really sold their collective souls to the devil for this scenario to happen. If Detroit gets screwed out of winning the cup because they want to push an already over advertised player like Crosby, then I will have to start watching golf or women's billiards. Pittsburgh is a good team don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're a great team like Detroit is. 2 years ago they were almost sold because they sucked so bad. I'm tired of the Wings getting no love from the commentators unless it's a blow out game. I've been a Wingnut since I was 14, I'll be 35 this year. I loved the team when they sucked, and I'll love em when they're on top too. So yeah I'm a bit biased when it comes to my team. I will however give credit where it's due, but I think it's hard to play a game when it's not called fairly down the middle. The penalties were 2 to 2, but far from fair. I still can't believe that 50 mins went by before the first PP for Det. Come on let's get real about this. I can't wait until Friday night for Detroit to get their revenge, and hoist the cup, again. I'm done with this rant. For now. Go Wings !!! Back to Back Champs, and an even #12.
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06-11-2009, 12:42 AM | #1826 |
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Also, I'm not the only one that thinks Detroit's neutral zone trap, interfere with the opponent in all three zones, and collapse in around your net style of play, is really boring. I can tell you guys this, a lot of people don't want to see Detroit win another about as much as you don't want to see Crosby and the Pens win. PS. I'm really enjoying this thread, you guys are so funny with all this talk about Bettman and the refs trying to screw the Wings so the Pens can win. You guys really are funny. Last edited by stburr91; 06-11-2009 at 12:44 AM.. |
06-11-2009, 01:11 AM | #1827 |
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You know I still remember when sorry ass New Jersey won with that clogging style with Claude Leminuex(who was enemy number one for us Wings fans after his dirty play with the Avs on Draper) Stevens, and Brodeur which pissed me off to no end!! Detroit is one of the original six teams to play hockey and have a tradition which is rich in history! I will always root for my beloved Wings to win and take home the cup. I don't like the promotion of Crosby as I didn't care for Gretzky either! Give me a hard nose real player like Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull, Bobby Orr, The Rocket Maurice, Guy LeFleaur, or many of the others any day over these pappered cry babies who throw temper tantrums when things don't go their way!
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06-11-2009, 01:26 AM | #1828 |
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Gretzky wasn't TOO bad. He had his moments, but you have to admit, the guy was good.
Crosby I feel is too built up with too little. He was sort of picked from a bunch of skilled new players to promote the NHL. There are several other players who are as good, or likely better, who could have the role. I admit, he plays well, but he isn't as spectacular as the media clamor would suggest. I have issues with the massive over-hype. |
06-11-2009, 06:47 AM | #1829 |
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I think Malkin is better than Crosby.
I can never respect a player that cries after a loss (also see Osgood, Chris), not in today's world.
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06-11-2009, 08:29 AM | #1830 |
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I don't know how Detroit could get screwed out of winning the cup. So if the Pens win, it's because Bettman, the refs, and NBC screwed them. If the Wings win, it's because they're the greatest team that ever played. If you that feel that way, should probably start watching golf or women's billiards.
1. Bettman/the NHL love Crosby and desperately want him to win a cup so he can be "the next Gretzky." Watch the NHL network for 15 minutes and it is obvious (you'll see Sid at least 3 times in that span - it's nauseating after a while). Intentional or not, that favors the Pens in the decisions being made. See item 2. 2. Despite protests from Red Wings management, Bettman/the NHL moved the finals up to an accelerated/compressed schedule that benefited the Pens, hurt the Wings so that the finals could get more airtime on NBC for Sid. The Wings had injuries and fatigue issues that would have been reduced with a few more days to rest. Why rush the finals instead of letting both teams have at least a week to get healthy (so both teams can play at their best instead of having the Sid showcase night after night)? Thanks Gary. 3. Two refs on the ice, 21 seconds of 6 men for PIT. Is it really necessary to explain the officiating issues on that one? Would have changed the momentum in that game with the obvious penalty call. 4. Penguin pushes Red Wing into Penguin goalie in full sight of the refs. Ref calls penalty on Red Wing. Another pretty obvious officiating failure. And another momentum stealer. 5. Even the national NBC commentators noting on multiple occasions throughout game 6, "PIT got away with one there." And they're pro-Crosby. Not that DET has not gotten a couple minor breaks at times in the series (see Zetterberg's goaltending), but nothing like what PIT has gotten. These would not be such a big deal except that the teams are so evenly matched that any screw up by the officials is enough to swing games. Quote:
Also, I'm not the only one that thinks Detroit's neutral zone trap, interfere with the opponent in all three zones, and collapse in around your net style of play, is really boring. I can tell you guys this, a lot of people don't want to see Detroit win another about as much as you don't want to see Crosby and the Pens win.
Where DET "cheats" is the pick play where a forward off the faceoff will put himself between the defensive forward and his defenseman on a faceoff win before breaking into the middle, allowing the defenseman another couple seconds to slide or shoot. But it is marginal and every team in the league does it. DET just does it better... I'm not a fan of PIT's AHH-like forward/defenseman stacking shot blocking, but I certainly understand why they do it, and realize why it is so effective. They used it to perfection in game 6. It is a well-known means of reducing shots on your goalie and has been used successfully against the Wings a few times over the years. Yeah, Wings fans are obsessive to be sure. Fifteen years of our team being in the top tier of hockey has made sure most of us (except for Dr. Whom of course ) have seen a ton of hockey and are pretty well versed in the minutia of the game. Last edited by thunderdan19; 06-11-2009 at 08:32 AM.. |
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