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06-12-2009, 10:36 PM | #41 |
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06-12-2009, 10:55 PM | #42 |
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Look if they were at least running the original cartoon series or had more that that pretty cool resolute movie that aired at 12pm, which made little sense to me? I would give them some props but when my friends kid dose'nt even know what gijoe is, and ben 10 is the first thing he runs to in tru what the frack! There's nothing to get the kids involved that's what made joe so great all the kids i grew up with new who wild bill was and snakeeyes and that there was 3 versions of him and so on. Now a days you can pick how many of different versions of snakeeyes, and how many repaints can one company do its overkill there ruining the line, sorry but its a fact. My biggest problem is why tweak greatness just because you always wanted to take the gun out of gun-ho's leg holster. Its not an homage its marketing and it stinks!
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06-12-2009, 11:09 PM | #43 |
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GI joe has always been about marketing. Back in the day Hasbro had a comic started and a cartoon mini-series done in order to market their product better. Nothing has changed. Now we just have a crappy looking movie to maket a toy line. And repaints aren't a new thing either, i.e. - Tiger Force, Slaughter's Marauders, Python Patrol. GI Joe still uses the formula. I appreciate the old line for what it is and what it has done but the 25th/ME line is just a better line of toys in my oppinion.
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06-12-2009, 11:43 PM | #44 |
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Just the simple fact that you have to custom drill the knee joints just to make them sit properly in a vamp to me is ridicules. And theres no way that 25th has the same success as the ARAH line no matter how many repaints or obscure characters like wrath i need more than a file card description to get into him? im willing to bet if you get the numbers even in the 80's with the limited marketing back then it was more successful monetarily. For me its kinda like the new 2010 Camaro its cool has a ls3 but wheres the character its nothing like driving a '69!
So lets take this into a prospective shall we? Judging based on the car vs car... You have ARAH, and 25th ARAH. Ok? Now lets take that `69 Camaro SS, and the 2010 Camaro SS You have Vintage, then New Age)Classic( Contemporary. Follow? You have two originals in position while a new version for the updated era. Both stand on their own and have different likes and dislikes, pros and cons. Are both perfect? No. But are they enjoyable? They can be if you let them. So while you could spend 60 K on a 69 Camaro and 20-30 on a newer one you can have built the way you want from day one... Now... on the other hand here's something else to look at. Get that 2010 Camaro, in 20 years it is considered Classic status. Mine would move into Antique status . we all have our enjoyments out of these figures, regardless of their short commings. Be thankful for what we have, and have had... don't complain for what we do not have. |
06-13-2009, 12:04 AM | #45 |
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These threads always end up annoying me because of posts like this:
OF COURSE when you compare the old figures directly to the new ones the new ones (usually) have a nicer sculpt and articulation. That's a really dumbed down way to look at it though. (And I like how you say RAH fans are trying to recapture their childhood... as if Modern fans aren't!) Try to look at things in a proper context. For example, the old '80s RAH GI Joes were hands down superior to pretty much any other action figure line back then in terms of articulation. No other line could touch them in that department - not SW, certainly not MOTU, not Transformers, nothing. Can you say that about today's GI Joes? I'm not so sure... Maybe, but what about Marvel Legends? Some might argue that's too much articulation, but still, it's debatable. At any rate, GI Joe isn't the clear cut winner it was back in the '80s. Now for sculpts. Yes, most of the new figures look better. A lot of them are really great, but then again, too many of them are lazy repaints. Granted, you can say that about the Original 13 as well, along with a handful of other RAH figures, but it was never near this bad - look at Steeler, Grunt, Crankcase, Cutter, Leatherneck, Wetsuit, Televiper, etc. Even some of the better ones, like BBQ, Eels, etc... I just can't help being disappointed in them. The old figures, by and large, were so much more unique, and that goes for accessories too. I really hope they continue to tweak some of the characters that ended up only making it as rehashed Frankenjoes, too, because I just can't display the modern Crankcase with the modern Snake Eyes V1. One is quality, the other one just stinks. In terms of success, I don't think that's even debatable. GI Joe was a cultural toy icon for us kids in the '80s. The 25th Anniversary line is successful as well, but not to the degree RAH was - you certainly don't see rows and rows of GI Joes at EVERY toy/department store you go to these days. There really hasn't been a successful cartoon tie-in since Sunbow, either. Don't get me wrong, I love the Modern Line, and I hope it continues. But there's no way it's a "better" line than RAH in any way - it's improving on it in some ways, but by its very nature, the Modern Line is just riding RAH's coattails. I agree but I disagree. Of course the modern line is riding the original lines coattails...its based on it. You can't put down the modern automobile as a hack because it's riding it's predecessors coattails because it's ultimately the point. Your argument about repaints, while true, is also based on demand of the times. Back in the 80's and 90's when ARAH was going strong, we saw very limited releases from their waves thus more time to plan, design and sculpt new molds. Now with us rabid opinionated fans who will burn any toy producer for taking too long, we have Hasbro trying to meet our demands by hurridely giving us almost ALL of the Joe line up from the 80's in a year and a half. Were they to take 7 years to do all that they would 1) lose money and 2) irritate the hell out of their collector community. Point is, the repaints are a necesarry evil, but I'm sure we'll see new sculpts as the line continues. That said... this thread cannot possible come to a conclusion of who's better...old or new. Opinions vary and both lines have thier tried and true followers. I go with the new because I see the update to an old idea as a better way to go. As stated, an evolution. If holding weapons and sitting in a vehicle were the things to hold a figure to then yes, hands down ARAH would top it in my book... but with MUCH better sculpting (Chuckles will have ears, working holsters, women look like....women and so forth) this line has nothing but pros over the old line. Despite some flawed articulation there is hardly any breakage resulting in the need for a new figure...sure there's some, but some people have had stuck joints... Everyone experienced a broken thumb, foot peg issues (broke off in hole or heel broke, and of course crotches.) With issues like that, I can't possible look at an old figure and think it has it;s newer counterpart pegged. So my old Duke can hold his gun with two hands... assuming he has both thumbs.... He sill doesn't compare to his 25th counterpart. Slit wrists or not... For certain its my opinion, but I think a lot of the opinions are swayed by loyalty versus reality. Like somehow folks are betraying their younger selves and the things that made them happy by moving on... Nostalgia is a great and powerful thing and I think it shows here.
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08-29-2009, 03:31 PM | #46 |
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These threads always end up annoying me because of posts like this:
OF COURSE when you compare the old figures directly to the new ones the new ones (usually) have a nicer sculpt and articulation. That's a really dumbed down way to look at it though. (And I like how you say RAH fans are trying to recapture their childhood... as if Modern fans aren't!) Try to look at things in a proper context. For example, the old '80s RAH GI Joes were hands down superior to pretty much any other action figure line back then in terms of articulation. No other line could touch them in that department - not SW, certainly not MOTU, not Transformers, nothing. Can you say that about today's GI Joes? I'm not so sure... Maybe, but what about Marvel Legends? Some might argue that's too much articulation, but still, it's debatable. At any rate, GI Joe isn't the clear cut winner it was back in the '80s. Now for sculpts. Yes, most of the new figures look better. A lot of them are really great, but then again, too many of them are lazy repaints. Granted, you can say that about the Original 13 as well, along with a handful of other RAH figures, but it was never near this bad - look at Steeler, Grunt, Crankcase, Cutter, Leatherneck, Wetsuit, Televiper, etc. Even some of the better ones, like BBQ, Eels, etc... I just can't help being disappointed in them. The old figures, by and large, were so much more unique, and that goes for accessories too. I really hope they continue to tweak some of the characters that ended up only making it as rehashed Frankenjoes, too, because I just can't display the modern Crankcase with the modern Snake Eyes V1. One is quality, the other one just stinks. In terms of success, I don't think that's even debatable. GI Joe was a cultural toy icon for us kids in the '80s. The 25th Anniversary line is successful as well, but not to the degree RAH was - you certainly don't see rows and rows of GI Joes at EVERY toy/department store you go to these days. There really hasn't been a successful cartoon tie-in since Sunbow, either. Don't get me wrong, I love the Modern Line, and I hope it continues. But there's no way it's a "better" line than RAH in any way - it's improving on it in some ways, but by its very nature, the Modern Line is just riding RAH's coattails. Nothing will ever replace arah. It was perfect. For its time it was modern. I remember TRU having one and a half rows full of joes as high as I could see. No toy then or now commands that kind of shelf space. They werent as modern as now thats because it was 27 years ago. I hope, toy engineering has progressed in that amount of time. They bred immagination and creativity. Nowadays I can buy my kids a $100 toy, they will play with it for a day and fling it like baby poo. The modern era line is testemony to the coolness of arah. You have 30 years olds everywhere lining up to drop $58 on an alpine figure. That being said I love the ME line, its the greast thing since arah. I never collected or played with toys as an adult until 2007. I was taking my kids through Target and out of the corner of my eye I saw what resembled the red white and blue on a black back round. The foil immedietely caught ahold of my ADD. I stood and gazed at the rack in disbelief. I was at once a 6 year old boy again. I stood there quivering with excitement, I could not move or say a word until my wife said HONEY, HONEY, why dont you buy a couple of them. Oh look they have Storm Shadow. I @ once began riffleing them into the shopping cart by the handfulls, not paying any mind to the near seven dollar price tag. I assured my wife this was I one time thing, and I was content to buy these and relive arah. The next day I tried to forget about them but I thought about them clear through the pastor's sermon as if I had also regained the attention span of a six year old boy on Christmas eve. From there we went to my sister in laws b-day party. I snuck away from the festivities and procurred a spot on the internet, barely knowing how to use it. In a caveman like attempt to find them I typed in GI JOE under google. I had no idea there was a ME line out. That very day I discovered Hasboro Toy shop. Now you can hardly see sinderblock on my basement walls. I dont do much else in my rec time besides collect the ME line. It allows me a temporary daily reprieve from the stress of work, bills, exc. for that I am truely grateful. |
08-29-2009, 04:43 PM | #47 |
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I like the vintage sculpts and the modern sculpts. the only ones i don't favour are the VvV sculpts.
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08-29-2009, 04:46 PM | #48 |
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25th by a mile. Come on, it's the same guys in the same outfits 25 years later. Of coarse they're better! Nothing will take the place of the older Joes, but updated product is always a plus.
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08-29-2009, 09:45 PM | #49 |
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I bought a vintage Big Boa today for 6$anda vintage Cobra Pogo(with original box!), even though I have mostly 120 25 th figures sitting in a nice galss curio case.I actually display ARAH along with 25th figures. I also have a vintage Rattler w/Wild Weasel. Should I buy the new version?
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