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05-20-2009, 11:52 AM | #61 |
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They're not using us to sell the new product. They are truly throwing us bones to keep us interested.
They don't have to release anything that even remotely resembles the vintage stuff. It can all be movie related. But they're including new stylings of vintage stuff and vintage looks to keep us interested and to show that they do care about us. But we need to realize that our days of being the main focus of the Joe line are over (at least for now). It's time to try and create the next generation of "us".
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05-20-2009, 11:54 AM | #62 |
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Again, I understand the business aspect of it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
But your analogy is flawed - the Millennium Falcon is ONE vehicle piloted by Han Solo. Ignoring the *elseworlds* of Star Wars, there is but ONE incarnation. GI*Joe does not have that luxury, with it's various toy lines and back stories - 12 inch, ARAH, GvC, VvV, Sigma 6, RoC and so on. I'm still confused by what you're trying to say. Hasbro is concentrating on RoC. Why does Star Wars being one line (actually 2 currently: Legacy and Clone Wars) make his analogy flawed?
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05-20-2009, 11:56 AM | #63 |
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I personally think the resolute FLAGG should be released as three separate playsets that can be put together. For those without room, they can just buy the part they want. For others who want a honest to goodness FLAGG, they can collect all three.
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05-20-2009, 11:56 AM | #64 |
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Actually, a "true" Joe collector wouldn't care what style/line it's in, they'd get it because it said G.I. Joe. A vintage collector would want a modern era skystriker.
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05-20-2009, 11:57 AM | #65 |
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Again, I understand the business aspect of it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
But your analogy is flawed - the Millennium Falcon is ONE vehicle piloted by Han Solo. Ignoring the *elseworlds* of Star Wars, there is but ONE incarnation. GI*Joe does not have that luxury, with it's various toy lines and back stories - 12 inch, ARAH, GvC, VvV, Sigma 6, RoC and so on. If you're really going to be that anal-retentive about it, then here: You're not going to put out a hypothetical "James Bond's Ferrari" toy in a hypothetical James Bond toyline based on a hypothetical James Bond movie, when in the movie the exact same car is actually an Aston-Martin. Furthermore, you're blaming Hasbro for something they really don't have much control over. They don't write the script, and they don't design the costumes, vehicles, etc... That's the work of the production designers. Hasbro licensed their G.I. Joe property to Paramount to make a movie, to include the names, trademarks, etc.... Hasbro produces toys based on the designs using those names, trademarks, etc that Paramount creates. Modernized and updated designs, for better or for worse based on one's personal tastes. By your argument, this movie should have UTTERLY abandoned EVERYTHING about Real American Hero G.I. Joe (down to individual character names) just to avoid offending a few overly sensitive message board nerds. Inevitable comments from those overly sensitive message board nerds aside, you may as well not make it a G.I. Joe movie at all, then. Quite frankly, if they had never said what the jet in question was named nor shown any "advance preview" of it prior to the movies' release, is there really anyone here that would look at that and NOT immediately go, "Hey, it's the Night Raven! (or supposed to be)" when it shows up on-screen? I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. Last edited by Jmacq1; 05-20-2009 at 12:02 PM.. |
05-20-2009, 11:59 AM | #66 |
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Take the original Flagg's 3 sections. No way could sell the front and read seperatly. The only ones that would buy that would be the ones that would want to assemble all 3 sections. Would need some reason to make everyone want to buy all 3 sections. The idea has merit though.
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05-20-2009, 12:01 PM | #67 |
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I'm not understanding the whole "us vs them" thing. Just because it's called the same doesn't make it the same.
I'm not going to look at something that was made back in the 80s and expect it to be exactly the same today, even if the name is the same. Doesn't bother me in the least bit that it's a new design. I loved that they took the old vintage molds for the Armadillo and VAMP and updated them with new detailing. I wish they had done the same for the HISS. I liked the HISS as a kid, I hate it now especially when sitting next to the VAMP. It's plain. No detail. "Us" needs to be able to make a disconnect between today and then. It's today. It's not then. This isn't our Night Raven. It's a Night Raven for a new generation. They didn't call it a different name because they already own the rights to the Night Raven name, so why come up with something new if you don't have to? The Crimson Hydra needed a new name because the original vehicle of that mold was the Joe Skysweeper. But I see your point - it's Hasbro creative right and they can do what they want with it. I just don't appreciate being given mayonnaise bread and told it's a cream puff. If you like the new RoC line, then please, support it and then maybe something will come along that I might find worthwhile. Also I noticed that you're citing examples of the 25th line recreations (Skyhawk, etc) and NOT RoC labeled product. |
05-20-2009, 12:03 PM | #68 |
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So, is the problem with the new vehicles simply that they have the classic vehicle names and aren't exactly the old vehicles? Really?
I mean, I haven't played with any of them so I can't really speak about the quality of the new toys; they might be perfectly fine for all I know. Each fan has to make up their own mind, but I'm excited for new vehicles. The Old Night Raven wasn't perfect; it had design flaws (like NO forward facing guns, and only two forward facing missiles). I'm sure the new one won't be perfect, but the old one was really fragile... and it was almost too big for a Joe scale air craft. So was the Original Sky Striker; that's why the Conquest is smaller. Look, I love the old stuff too. But the movie has to try to honor the past while reaching out to the young. Of course they're going to use classic vehicle names for new, futuristic vehicles. Old fans want the Joes flying a "Sky Striker" and kids want to see something new and awesome. Is this really the issue? If so, we need lives and more to do with our time. No wonder Fan Boys get a bad rap as constant complainers. I intend on having fun with new toys... I always thought that was the point.
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05-20-2009, 12:09 PM | #69 |
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Don't buy the Pit if you don't want it. Despite the misrepresentation of what Hasbro's said both here and elsewhere, the future of the G.I. Joe line is not really in our hands. Every single one of us could buy every single movie line item, and it would not make the ROC line as successful as Hasbro wants it to be.
It's in the hands of the kids and their parents to determine how big (in every sense of the word) the G.I. Joe brand becomes for the forseeable future. If the movie and the movie toy line fails to reach them or entice them into buying...then the best we can hope for is a return to the limited shelf-space and spotty distribution of the 25A line (and no particularly large vehicles). At worst, the entire G.I. Joe brand goes on "hiatus" for a while...or gets retooled into something that has no connection to the RAH mythos at all. The franchise needs new fans to avoid dying a slow, inevitable death. The collectors are enough to keep it on "life support" but not enough to get it out of the "intensive care unit." Even keeping the line "purely classic" leads to a slow bleed-off of adult collectors the further they get into the "neon years." |
05-20-2009, 12:11 PM | #70 |
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The Crimson Hydra is an RoC product. The RoC Armored Panther is an armadillo repaint. The Roc Ice Dagger is a repaint of the DTC Snow Cat and is not using the same name because Hasbro has already stated they will be releasing an old-style Snow Cat later. The Rockslide is a repainted Rockslide. The only new mold Roc vehicles are the Steel Crusher humvee, the PIT and the Cobra Gunship (the Dragonfly-prototype-thing hasn't been officially named or announced where/how it'll be packaged) along with the Mole Pod and the Night Raven. Only 1 of those uses an existing name. And it's really not that far off from the existing. The main features are still there: the basic shape, the descending cockpit. It's just smaller and updated.
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