|01-08-2010, 03:28 PM||#1|
Side Show GI Joe Fan
Join Date: Aug 2007
Just some thoughts I wanted to share that I have been thinking about lately and would love to hear your comments too.
I now completely believe (It took the last 8 months or so for it to sink in) that Hasbro has abandoned the GI Joe Collector market. It is not a focus at all for them. They no longer care about / have the resources to tend to the collectors as well as their large marketing projects such as RoC.
Here are the things that substantiate my claim:
1- Allowing SideShow Collectibles to create a collectible 12" line of ARAH characters... previously a concept that Hasbro would have laughed about having another company produce
2- No classics line - Seriously missed HUGE opportunities
3- Number of molds especially heads sloppily used on multiple "characters" rather than tooling another head and using it on updated figures for the same character in the future, this shows a limited capital investment. Example is Gung Ho head on many different figures
4- RoC...... Hasbro really believes this is the model of the new Joe brand.......ARAH is dead to them.
5- IDW Comic reboot. Seriously, trying to reboot and ignore the great fantasy created by Larry Hama.... pathetic. I know they plan on coming out with an issue #155 1/2 and then start with #166 in 2010, but we havent seen that happen for sure, so I wont count it.
6- Iconic costumes are just going away......Seriously, the Cobra Commander look is Iconic.... So is his back story.
7- Awful repaints for RoC using ARAH molds. The SNAKE armor is potentially the only one that looks OK, but why not in original colors?
8- One of the great things that made ARAH so fantastic was the large awesome vehicles. Even if it was done in a pre-order basis, where is my Moray, Whale, or Tomahawk???? Sad enough that the Flagg, Terrordrome, and Skystriker are gone forever.... But the other three could be done in ARAH colors.
You guys seriously need to look into the SideShow figures, they are amazing. Unfortunately, they are the only products right now other than the Classic TPB's and Sunbow Cartoons that have an ARAH feel to me. Those are the only things I am buying in 2010.
|01-08-2010, 03:39 PM||#2|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Greensboro, NC
I believe Hasbro doesn't classify GI Joe s ARAH, ROC, or anything else. To them it's just "G.I. Joe" and it's continuing evolution to bring in new fans. Kids are now and always have been their focus. Honestly, they probably have more collector focus now than they ever did before in the past. It's always been about the kids. Only now they do things specifically for collectors. The exclusive 7-packs, the battle stations, walmart 2-packs.
The classics line isn't a missed opportunity for Hasbro. The current and ongoing line is selling circles around it.
I do agree with you about IDW though. I just can't get excited about a new issue. I've tried, but honestly, it's boring.
|01-08-2010, 03:43 PM||#3|
Hard Core Since 82
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: the pit
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|01-08-2010, 03:46 PM||#4|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Monrovia, CA
besides, which one, the used car salesman villain or the snake man? or both?
I don't even need to address the rest of your points because they all come from the same ridiculous and flawed position.
|01-08-2010, 03:47 PM||#5|
Oktober Guard soldier
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Under the sea!
I agree with MrClean...Sad but true. Kids have always been their focus. Nowadays with the economy, they have to cut their costs inthe most places possible. In the 80's everyone was rich! (in a way). All the kids had tons and tons of joes cause most families were economically stable. Nowadays, its hard for some families to buy a lot of toys, so they buy less...anyways, i hate the new lines except for the 25th line. I think its great, but I agree that a lot of part were reused for different figures, which sucks. That's why I customize...best way to deal with the problem, since I doubt it will ever change.
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|01-08-2010, 03:47 PM||#6|
Join Date: Jul 2008
This argument has been perpetuated in more threads than i care to view.
No, they aren't focusing on the collector market. They're selling to kids, and its selling quite well.
But they HAVE NOT abandoned the collectors - if they had there would have been no Sgt. Thunderblast (ie, tunder), Heavy Metal, City Strike Snake Eyes, Monkeywrench, etc. released in ROC packaging.
They're doing what they can to appease collectors while focusing on the more profitable kids market.
Sideshow is hardly the sellout you suggest. Everyone know that no one makes 12 inch figures like them, and hasbro is borderline incompetent in the area lately (Back in the 60s 70s and early 80s they were cutting edge, but they've really fallen behind over the last decade IMHO). They know that collectors would love well-made 12-inch tributes to ARAH characters, and that's what the sideshow license allows.
So while the focus may not be on the collector base, it is a consideration to their work.
|01-08-2010, 03:48 PM||#7|
Spireite till I die
Join Date: Apr 2009
I prefer the RoC figures to be honest. It's what got me back into collecting.
|01-08-2010, 03:48 PM||#8|
BRUCE FOXTON'S HAIR
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SOME STUPID JERK TRYIN TO REACH ANOTHER NUMBER
Hasbro took a gamble with the ROC stuff, in reality the 25th line was only as popular as it was, was because of it becoming the new hot collectable. So you had a whole shwack of people come in because it was the "cool" thing to do. Since 1997 G.I. Joe has been supported by the same core group, the 25th had an influx of new people (who've probably left by now) and G.I. Joe the movie might've attracted new people, but I doubt it (Other than Ripcord that movie was terrible)
Guys you gotta support G.I. Joe or else we won't have G.I. Joe on the shelves and they haven't released Spaceshot. We can't have an anniversary line without Spaceshot!
|01-08-2010, 03:49 PM||#9|
Cobra Croc Master
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Port Charlotte, FL
First off IDW has confirmed that A Real American Hero will pick up with issue 156 and go form there. Expect a summer launch.
Second, Toy Fair hasn't happened yet.
Sure we have seen glimpse of pursuit of Cobra but we've heard tons of news about a resolute pack, classics packs, now and then sets. The point is you can't say anything about Hasbro abandoning collectors until you see their plans.
Hasbro made it clear that the second half of 09 was all rise of cobra with some original and unreleased figures mixed in (ie CS Snake Eyes, Kamakura, Helix, Night Adder, the battle packs, etc.)
After toy fair if there is nothing but neon vipers and generic looking joes then I might agree with you but I'll wait until after Toy Fair before I start complaining.
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|01-08-2010, 03:50 PM||#10|
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portland, Or
The toys went thru a big change from the Adventure Team to the ARAH back in the day, one that I really enjoyed. It happens. I'll be happy when ROC is over and POC kicks in though, ROC figures have been nothing but spare parts for my new ARAH characters.
The comic bit, I'm miffed about that. I like the idea of what they wanted to do with the team, but I wish they would have stayed moe with the characters though. Tom Sawyer is a good example, you can't change him and expect him to still be Tom Sawyer. You can age him and stick him "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and that's fine, as long as he holds true to the young Tom Sawyer we all read about.
I think the one thing I miss about the 80's is that you could buy the annual collection for about $100 until the bigger things came out. Not quite the same nowadays.
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