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Yes! | 23 | 82.14% | |
No! | 5 | 17.86% | |
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04-29-2020, 06:28 PM | #21 |
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Agreed man. Tons of people here want 90s Joes to be updated but Hasbro would never do it because the JediJones and Boogas of the world would raise such an uproar about it even tho the majority of collectors would want it. Thankfully the Club did put out a few figures, but they were overall subpar and severely overpriced.
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04-29-2020, 07:04 PM | #22 |
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I'm a bit of both an 80's and 90's kid actually. My sweet spot with Joe is from 85-91. After that the colors turned me off and I gravitated more towards other things and began to become really selective with my Joes.
No one is right or wrong of course, but I personally have an active dislike for the neon- more so in regards to the accessories, the figures themselves would be alright with more subdued accessories. As far as improvements to SB are concerned, in my opinion, they would have to be pretty substantial. So much so that they'd no longer really resemble the originals. |
04-29-2020, 07:11 PM | #23 |
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I'm a bit of both an 80's and 90's kid actually. My sweet spot with Joe is from 85-91. After that the colors turned me off and I gravitated more towards other things and began to become really selective with my Joes.
No one is right or wrong of course, but I personally have an active dislike for the neon- more so in regards to the accessories, the figures themselves would be alright with more subdued accessories. As far as improvements to SB are concerned, in my opinion, they would have to be pretty substantial. So much so that they'd no longer really resemble the originals. I think they could still look like the originals, and not be in the original colors. I'm far more familiar with Transformers, so I'll use a Transformers example, like when they reissued the G2 hero figures in RID 2002. Or, Scourge. Scourge having a vastly superior set of colors to that of the original Laser Optimus release. And, now when people think about the G2 mold, they typically think about the Scourge/Battle Black Convoy version. Yet, it's still the same mold. So, is it just the colors, or the overall design? Last edited by dolza_khyron; 04-29-2020 at 07:15 PM.. |
04-29-2020, 07:43 PM | #24 |
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Well, then the question must be asked, if they were in better, like let's say, more realistic colors, would you be interested?
I think they could still look like the originals, and not be in the original colors. I'm far more familiar with Transformers, so I'll use a Transformers example, like when they reissued the G2 hero figures in RID 2002. Or, Scourge. Scourge having a vastly superior set of colors to that of the original Laser Optimus release. And, now when people think about the G2 mold, they typically think about the Scourge/Battle Black Convoy version. Yet, it's still the same mold. So, is it just the colors, or the overall design? Using your TF comparison, I'm a G1 guy almost exclusively, so Star Brigade is more akin to Beast Wars- too far removed from what I know and love, and at the time it was out I was too old to just accept it as a part of the greater whole. To that same end, there are a ton of masterpiece figures that have me tempted, but Optimus Primal will never be on that list. |
04-29-2020, 08:14 PM | #25 |
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With Star Brigade specifically, it's pretty much everything from the ground up. The concept, kit bashed figures, accessories, all are a total loss to me. The other 90's subsets are more of a mixed bag, I can find something good if not something I outright love in eachn to balance out what I don't like.
Using your TF comparison, I'm a G1 guy almost exclusively, so Star Brigade is more akin to Beast Wars- too far removed from what I know and love, and at the time it was out I was too old to just accept it as a part of the greater whole. To that same end, there are a ton of masterpiece figures that have me tempted, but Optimus Primal will never be on that list. So, it's left me wondering if it is the concept itself that fans do not like, or the overall execution of it. Because it sounds to me like most of the 90's era fans don't like the execution of it. Now, another part of the conversation was whether or not it 'caused' the 'death' of the toyline. Or, was it just a symptom of an on going decline in Gi Joe in the 90's. Which eventually lead to Gi Joe Extreme throwing everything out. Which, my argument was that Star Brigade isn't really that much different than anything else being released in the 90's. It's all bright colors and what not. And, it's really Gi Joe Extreme, which changed everything. Through out the 4 inch figures, and replaced them with figures which barely could sit in their own vehicles. Who were fixed poses, and now were completely incompatible with the previous toys, as a result. So, I think Gi Joe Extreme did way more to damage the overall Gi Joe line, turning far more people away (Including myself at the time) from Gi Joe, than the scifi stuff being added. I think it's the overall execution of the 90's stuff, from the early 90's, and not the overall concept that aliens and scifi stuff added. I think it would have been better received if it was better executed. What do you think? Do you think the aliens are worse than Extreme? Equally bad? or what? I'm trying to find out what fans actually think about the 90's toys, especially Star Brigade. Is it really a terrible idea, or is just poorly executed? It's starting to sound to me like from the majority of people here, it's the overall execution, and not the actual concept of "aliens and scifi" being added in. |
04-29-2020, 08:48 PM | #26 |
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I can't speak for "the fans", only myself, but I'd say the alien/space aspect is precisely what makes it too far removed. Yes, there were lasers and other light sci fi elements before, but SB was when they went all in. Aliens do not fit the mythos, GIJoe is not Star Wars.
So in order for me to want ME Star Brigade updates, they'd need: A) A new / more reality based concept entirely B) More subdued colors C) Gear that is built around the figures, not random "tree" accesories. ... meaning completely different from what it was. I never thought I'd say these words out loud, but Lanard's one single moment of superiority to Hasbro was Star Force. They weren't great, but they had a cohesive look and some interesting designs. Lizard people? Where are you getting that, the cartoon? That's a whole other conversation in and of itself. We unfortunately had Cobra La briefly, but there were no lizard people figures until the 00's I personally don't consider Extreme or Sgt. Savage a part of the line. They're as different as 6" vs. 4" in my book... But they were definitely the worst thing to happen to GIJoe, especially Extreme. Savage was a missed opportunity- they were too big. They weren't the nail in the coffin though, they were a failed resurrection. The true reasons for the end of ARAH GIJoe are multi-faceted and have been discussed to death here, from increased competition with other lines and video games to outright mishandling of the brand. Star Brigade does have some culpability there. |
04-29-2020, 09:05 PM | #27 |
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I can't speak for "the fans", only myself, but I'd say the alien/space aspect is precisely what makes it too far removed. Yes, there were lasers and other light sci fi elements before, but SB was when they went all in. Aliens do not fit the mythos, GIJoe is not Star Wars.
So in order for me to want ME Star Brigade updates, they'd need: A) A new / more reality based concept entirely B) More subdued colors C) Gear that is built around the figures, not random "tree" accesories. ... meaning completely different from what it was. I never thought I'd say these words out loud, but Lanard's one single moment of superiority to Hasbro was Star Force. They weren't great, but they had a cohesive look and some interesting designs. Lizard people? Where are you getting that, the cartoon? That's a whole other conversation in and of itself. We unfortunately had Cobra La briefly, but there were no lizard people figures until the 00's I personally don't consider Extreme or Sgt. Savage a part of the line. They're as different as 6" vs. 4" in my book... But they were definitely the worst thing to happen to GIJoe, especially Extreme. Savage was a missed opportunity- they were too big. They weren't the nail in the coffin though, they were a failed resurrection. The true reasons for the end of ARAH GIJoe are multi-faceted and have been discussed to death here, from increased competition with other lines and video games to outright mishandling of the brand. Star Brigade does have some culpability there. Would you be interested in that? Or is that too, still too far removed for you? I understand what you mean about it being completely different than what you like. I too, wasn't a huge fan of Beast Wars when it came out. I've seen become a fan, but mostly of the Japanese figures. Not too big of a fan of the transmetals and stuff, but I love the beasts. But, back when it came out, I didn't like it too much either. It was way too different for me too. As for the lizard, I haven't seen the movie in forever, but didn't Cobra Commander get revealed to be apart of a lizardman group from underneath the earth or something? That was one of the biggest turn offs to me, for the franchise. I remember seeing that in the movie, as a kid, and that turned me off way more than the aliens ever did. Again, I could be remembering this wrong, I haven't seen the movie since. Even though I own a copy of it on VHS. As for the final portion, but is Star Brigade the main reason? Or just one of many other contributing factors in bringing it down? Because from what I see, Gi Joe's toyline declined fairly quick before then. Like you said, changing WAY too much to keep the old fans happy. Plus, it came out during the time where other toylines had better shows. Exo Squad, for example, was one of my favorite shows, and toylines at the time. It does a lot of the things Star Brigade did, and it even has very similar action figures. So, I can say at the time it didn't make me, a 'noob' 90's kid happy either. Being that there were better alternatives to what was coming out. But, I feel like if it was better executed, it would have been exactly what I was into at the time. Which was a lot of space things. Space Legos, as an example, was one of my favorite things about Legos at the time. So, I have to wonder if it is the overall execution of it. Like, they through the old people out with this new stuff, but then failed to deliver the new people. Thanks to their competition releasing better versions of what they did. Edit: Oh, by the way, to the 'I don't speak for all fans' thing is exactly why I'm asking here. Because I want to know what individuals think about it, and not just a response from one fan, who seems to think he speaks for everyone. I want individual reasons to be either for, or against it. I just can't believe it's hated for 'aliens and space' alone. There must be more to it than that. Last edited by dolza_khyron; 04-29-2020 at 09:09 PM.. |
04-29-2020, 09:43 PM | #28 |
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Well, 18 votes, 17 to 1, doesn't look like Star Brigade is nearly as unpopular as I've been told.
To the guy who voted no, and didn't comment: I'd be really interested in seeing what you have to say, and why you say no. Those who don't want it, please comment, I'd be really interested in hearing why people would be against it. Those all look really cool. They do look very similar to the Star Brigade figures. I really like the guys with the skull helmet. They looks a lot like Destro. They aren't producing them, but they did show a deco that would work for the Iron Grenadiers. This one was commissioned by a third party. It's being offered for sale on Facebook. Quote:
G.I. Joe could be the first product line to offer action figures of the newest branch of the US armed forces, Space Force. Back in 1964, it was important to the team at Hasbro to make action figures of all service branches, rather than to focus only upon one. They felt certain that if they neglected to do so, a competitor would jump at the chance.
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04-29-2020, 09:53 PM | #29 |
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Yes, I would buy them. I actually would love to see a Monster Hunter line. I am way more into monsters than strictly real world army man these days and DNA experiments are right up Cobra's alley.
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04-29-2020, 09:57 PM | #30 |
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Your question was whether someone would buy it or not. Some people will just not be interested. It's not something that can always be articulated. I didn't bother to vote; because, I'd need to see the figures before I decide. I learned my lesson with the GIJCC FSS. Everyone gets excited when the list of characters is released, but the complaints roll in, when they see the execution.
They aren't producing them, but they did show a deco that would work for the Iron Grenadiers. This one was commissioned by a third party. It's being offered for sale on Facebook. I understand the need to see the actual figures first. I probably should have included that as an option, but I just wanted to keep it a simple yes, no question. Just to keep it simple. I just wanted to know if it is a case of everyone hates it, or is it a case a large group of fans hate it, and there is a small minority that actually likes the concept of it. It's just that it seems to be that fans of the originals of these things, like Gi Joe, and Transformers, tend to trample all over the fans who came into these things from the later years. So, I wanted to hear what people actually thought about it from the actual fandom. From the website dedicated to it. To figure out what people actually think about it. And, not just the opinions of a select few on a dedicated Transformers site. As fans seem to think they speak for every fan, at TFW, on almost everything. So, I wanted to see what other people thought about the subject 'scifi and aliens' being introduced to Gi Joe. And, if it really was as bad as claimed, or is are there actual fans of it, who are being ignored, because the vocal fans are being louder. I was told that the 'proof' everyone hates it was that it's the only line not to get any updates/homages from in the Club Exclusives. But, from what I'm being told about the Club Exclusives, they seem to be more 'hated' than the Star Brigade ever was. Oh, by the way, Iron Grenadiers Destro, is my favorite Destro. Which would be this version: https://www.yojoe.com/action/08/destro16.shtml So, the four armed, and 3 legged aliens were not a 'turn off' for you? Last edited by dolza_khyron; 04-29-2020 at 10:01 PM.. |
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