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yes make all the fans happy old and new | 124 | 67.76% | |
no stick with Roc and just give us 25th fans a bone every now & agin. | 59 | 32.24% | |
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07-28-2009, 06:47 PM | #91 |
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SW Fans: Some fans will only by movie figures, all Expanded Universe product they'll rant and rave about wasted slots like ROC haters. Some won't even buy prequel figures, they're OT purists. Then of course there are the fans who will take any realistically styled figures, but have no interest in the new Clone Wars stuff. There are those who will buy everything, but at the very least it's factionalized into: Realistic Only Movie Only OT Only Open Minded Transformers Fans: Are some of the most factionalized I can think of. If the wiki entries for TRUKK NOT MUNKY and RUINED FOREVER don't clue you in, nothing will. There's the rabid Geewunners who won't acknowledge anything outside of G1 characters, the most rabid of which will not even touch the often venerated Classics line. There's a large base who will accept toys from the AEC Universes, but only as well as they'll proxy for G1. There's the fans who will have nothing at all to do with any organic animal form Transformers, and there are the Beastformer fans who won't touch a Transmetal because they believe in alternate modes as Robots in Disguise. And then there's the Bayformer schism. Lots of people love them. An equal amount hate them. SW and TF fans are no more brandslave sheep than Joe fans. |
07-28-2009, 06:56 PM | #92 |
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07-28-2009, 07:01 PM | #93 |
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You're so ridiculously off base it's not even funny. Do SW or Transformers have factions? You're God damn right they do.
SW Fans: Some fans will only by movie figures, all Expanded Universe product they'll rant and rave about wasted slots like ROC haters. Some won't even buy prequel figures, they're OT purists. Then of course there are the fans who will take any realistically styled figures, but have no interest in the new Clone Wars stuff. There are those who will buy everything, but at the very least it's factionalized into: Realistic Only Movie Only OT Only Open Minded Transformers Fans: Are some of the most factionalized I can think of. If the wiki entries for TRUKK NOT MUNKY and RUINED FOREVER don't clue you in, nothing will. There's the rabid Geewunners who won't acknowledge anything outside of G1 characters, the most rabid of which will not even touch the often venerated Classics line. There's a large base who will accept toys from the AEC Universes, but only as well as they'll proxy for G1. There's the fans who will have nothing at all to do with any organic animal form Transformers, and there are the Beastformer fans who won't touch a Transmetal because they believe in alternate modes as Robots in Disguise. And then there's the Bayformer schism. Lots of people love them. An equal amount hate them. SW and TF fans are no more brandslave sheep than Joe fans.
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07-28-2009, 07:08 PM | #94 |
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now, a small, online line will undoubtedly make less money than a major, mainline at retail. why would Hasbro take resources away from ROC and its higher sales and profit potential to give to an online 25th line and lose money (even if it makes a profit, if that profit is lower than what could have been made at retail with those resources being allotted to ROC, it is losing money). I don't know what business practices you adhere to, but in the rest of the business world that isn't working great at all. |
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07-28-2009, 07:11 PM | #95 |
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haha.. I had to share this. You think we have problems as a joebase, look at what the transformers fans have to complain about.
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07-28-2009, 07:17 PM | #96 |
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I'm probably way off base here, but at SDCC when Hasbro said we can expect Resolute figures, I was thinking Hasbro saw the success and demand and decided to give us a a whole new seperate line. Wishful thinking, and not that big of a deal when they can clearly sell us all the Resolute they want in a RoC package.
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07-28-2009, 08:58 PM | #97 |
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how do you know it would work great? the Joe team a Hasbro is working on the ROC line. any effort, manpower and resources allotted to an online 25th line would have to come at the expense of the ROC line. that is basic common sense. every time a member of the Joe team would work on the 25th line, it would be effort he is not giving to ROC.
now, a small, online line will undoubtedly make less money than a major, mainline at retail. why would Hasbro take resources away from ROC and its higher sales and profit potential to give to an online 25th line and lose money (even if it makes a profit, if that profit is lower than what could have been made at retail with those resources being allotted to ROC, it is losing money). I don't know what business practices you adhere to, but in the rest of the business world that isn't working great at all. |
07-28-2009, 09:04 PM | #98 |
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I give up. Just don't listen or pay attention to what has been said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and I could go on... You have been given all the reasons why they won't do 2 lines concurrently at the movie release. You have been told to just be patient and wait. You'll get your wish and have Resolute figures in 2010, we've already been told this. We already know we've seen some sneak into the RoC line. So just be patient. We all know that RoC is not what you wanted, it's not what alot of us wanted (me included) but most of us are being open minded enough to give it a shot and are liking what we see. End of the day, it's all just opinion. The difference is, when it comes right down to it, you just keep ignoring all the facts when they are presented to you.
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07-28-2009, 09:08 PM | #99 |
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2010 is when we get RES figs doent mean we will get 2 lines. so i just want it out there 2 have 2 lines. so simple.
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07-28-2009, 10:25 PM | #100 |
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and everyone blathering about the 'facts' about how 2 lines would not work seems to simply ignore the 'facts' that they are already doing the same thing with by far thier largest money maker transformers.
yes they can make several lines without compromise if they dedicate the resources. yes there is enough market to support 2 lines as 25th/modern sales have proven they are profitable the only thing stopping them in my opinion is thier sheer fear that anythign else would steel even the slightest fraction of thunder of the ROC line which they are taking an enormous risk with (movie tie in). they don't want even the slighest bump in the road to ROC toy sales. it's more to do with needing to make a profit off the huge investment/gamble than diluting either line by dividing teams. we already know that can be done successfully. they are simply choosing not to do so. that tells me more than these so called facts people keep tossing around. listen, none of us are privey to the actual marketing/sales campaign information outside of what has been said publicly. an publicly it's a policy to promote ROC without any interference. i certainly understand that position but to say 2 lines can't be done is just bunk. hasbro has proven with other lines that it can. tf have more lines than i can actually name. i don't even follow them anymore it's been so many. all that being said, we know that thier future plans include mutliple lines so the whole argument is mute really. as mentioned previously, it's just a matter of time.
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