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$500 or less, or I'm out | 102 | 54.84% | |
$750 seems like a realistic and reasonable number for a new piece of furniture | 58 | 31.18% | |
$1000 is still cheaper than Ebay, and no broken clips! | 17 | 9.14% | |
Shut up and take my money (still less than $2k though)! | 9 | 4.84% | |
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04-04-2018, 02:59 PM | #11 |
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I would like and updated Flagg but think they should start with something like the Coyote. Something that no one has, as opposed to a Flagg witch some people do
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04-04-2018, 03:20 PM | #12 |
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I would love a Coyote myself - just not sure if that market exists either.
On the one hand, it would be priced quite a bit lower and probably not need as many sales. On the other, it's from a relatively recent, higher-tier cable, single-season show with no significant additional support without even the benefit of nostalgia. |
04-04-2018, 03:36 PM | #13 |
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I can't see them ever doing something as ambitious as the Flagg. You have to remember - the Sail Barge had a couple big advantages going for it: 1) It had never been produced - and collectors demanded it. 2) Star Wars has the most rabid fans out there.
Now, a COBRA TRANSPORT COPTER? Price it around $150. I'd buy that. http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-jo...round-two.html I would suggest (highly ) that any thoughts of a GIJOE Haslab be directed towards something iconic and never produced. A Comic Book PIT playset. The Cobra Chopper, The Coyote, A GIJOE C-130, but not something readily and easily available on the secondary market. The list of iconic unproduced GIJOE items is a pretty short list. Key word Iconic. Now the Google Hangout for Star Wars sites did mention that it could be used to produce Star Wars figures but again, they need to be iconic characters never produced. GIJOE and Cobra don't have too many of those either A Cobra cadet, A female greenshirt, the unproduced mechanic using Lady Jaye parts, Apach. Hasbro does not have a lot to choose from but there are possibilities. I would not get my hopes up for a Flagg any time soon or anything else already made at one time or another.
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04-04-2018, 04:21 PM | #14 |
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Yeah. I always figured the normal items are in the tens of thousands. I'm sure the original Flagg though would have been done at a much smaller volume compared to a MOBAT (which also sold for multiple years).
Maybe "slim" isn't the right word, but I'd be pretty surprised to see them making that much above cost. Unfortunately, it's always one of those things we can only broadly guess at. For example, looking at the price of something at regular retail and then when it drops to ROSS, we typically see a 50% difference there. One can safely assume the mainline retailer didn't take a loss to shuffle it down stream, and ROSS is also making money on their end. That would suggest Hasbro's profit is under the 25% mark on most items that go to normal retail. This is the toy version of a manufacturer's Halo car. Chrysler didn't make much money on a Viper (and it even sold at a loss towards the end). But it drove sales towards other stuff. People walked into the dealer to gawk at a Viper, and drove away in a V6 Charger, or Town and Country. This is a similar situation where it's more about exposure within the community, and maybe even a direct answer to the detractors who say (and I admit to being guilty) that Hasbro has dropped the ball for Star Wars collectors. This metaphor breaks down in that there isn't much on the market currently or announced to fill the Sail Barge with. But Feb of 2019 is a ways off. If Hasbro threw together a box set of Jabba's Barge passengers from existing tooling for a hundred bucks? I think a lot of folks would bite. I've noticed the Ebay prices on those figures has already started to rise. Anyway, with all that in mind, I'd put this margin at less than 25%, and probably closer to 10%. Ultimately, even 1% of 4.5 million is a net positive and could go towards development costs of something else down the road (or offset the eventual buy-back of thousands of Constable Zuvios ). This does point out the biggest hurdle for a Flagg to surmount: there's no Joe line otherwise. But, if they can manage to put out a good movie in a couple of years and reintroduce a successful mass-market Joe line, then I'd say the Flagg would stand a chance. |
04-04-2018, 05:37 PM | #15 |
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One can still hope though! Also, while the TD, WHALE and Chopper were the top three of that survey, the Flagg and Chopper tied with the most first place votes. Last edited by Dake; 04-04-2018 at 05:54 PM.. |
04-04-2018, 05:52 PM | #16 |
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The Flagg is a small playset on a giant board and its already been designed. They may even still habe the tools. I wouldn't even pay the 500 that i would pay for the barge (If i could afford either-i didn't vote for that reason). I could paint a piece of plywood and have 75% of a Flagg for a lot less and stronger materials.
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04-04-2018, 05:56 PM | #17 |
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The problem for me on both the Barge and the Flagg is I just don't have the space for it anymore. If I was still single with no kids, I'd probably back the Barge and would back a Flagg if it were available as well.
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04-04-2018, 06:17 PM | #18 |
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I have one 100% complete Flagg and another around 70%, but I'd probably still spring up to a grand for a re-tooled update.
I'd definitely go in on a WHALE (x2), terror dome or Cobra copter (x2).
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04-04-2018, 07:09 PM | #19 |
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With the huge success of Haslab's first outing, meeting roughly 175% of their goal to the tune of nearly four and a half million dollars, it's safe to say Hasbro will go back to that well in the future. With this in mind, what would you honestly be willing to pay for a new Flagg?
For the sake of simplification, let's say we're talking about a near-reissue of the original Flagg, only slightly modified and updated to current standards. Hasbro will address the known weak points of the original design, but for the most part it will be in the same vein as the ME Skystriker, or other vehicles that adhere closely to the original toy. The Sail Barge presale gives us some interesting information. First, their magic number was 5k units. Since Hasbro is still a business, they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Presumably, 5k at $500 gives them enough of a profit to make it worthwhile, while also recognizing the margin is probably fairly slim compared to most normal mass-market retail. On the flip side, the Khetanna is an all-new item, designed from the ground up. It will come mostly assembled (the box is five feet long!), and has a high level of detail. A reissue, updated Flagg could be shipped similar to the original and assembled by the buyer, and as an existing design, already has a lot going for it. All that is to say it sounds feasible. Some numbers for perspective: USS Flagg new: $109.99 in 1985 (Sears Wishbook), or $249.43 adjusted for inflation. USS Flagg complete on Ebay today avg: $1100 loose, up to a recent sale of an opened-boxed, but never-assembled Flagg for $2400. Personally, I think they could do this at around $750 bucks, and would be a great, yet realistic number for the modern age. What do you think? Vote for what you're willing to pay - not what you WISH you could pay. I think Haslab will be used to gain more share of the collector market and I think we will see a new Optimums Prime, Megatron, and other in the high detail marketplace. |
04-04-2018, 07:30 PM | #20 |
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This all sounds great but I think Hasbro will come out with more Star Wars stuff and Transformers figures before we see any Joe stuff at least until the movie comes out. I would love to see a new Flagg and I think it would be the one they were looking to bring out for Resolute but was never produced. This would also allow them to produce a jet to go along with it.
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