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09-12-2017, 04:14 AM | #21 |
Red Guardian
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Unfortunately for you that my horse got high and only goes back in the stable for sleep and munchies.
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09-12-2017, 06:57 AM | #22 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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Dude I love your thinking Solosam. The only thing better than a HISS tank is the HISS II, which actually has the troop carrying capabilities. The HISS tank that is a total fail is the HISS IV. That's dumb.
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09-12-2017, 07:00 AM | #23 |
Kaylee
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I've always liked the hiss, if not for the practicality, then certainly just for the looks. The Joe universe does have its own realistic vehicles though, The Stinger, and the Night Ops Humvee.
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09-12-2017, 02:56 PM | #24 |
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The biggest criticism of the HISS (as mentioned in the article) is that it perches on top of its treads. The slab sides and high profile are usually the opposite of what we want in a tank. Main battle tank designs emphasize the importance of a low profile and thick frontal glacis. So it's pretty clear the HISS is not meant to go toe-to-toe with armor on an open battlefield.
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But if we reconsider its role, it starts to make a bit more sense. Modern counterinsurgency-oriented vehicles like MRAPs sit quite high off the ground in order to (1) add clearance between a mine and the chassis and (2) accommodate a v-shaped hull. Placing the treads directly under the hull means you have a lot of metal mass in between the road and the crew, which is highly desirable if crew survivability is your goal. The high center of gravity makes it undesirable for broken terrain (where tanks don't really excel anyway) but the narrow track width, and the elevated driver and turret are ideal for jungle or urban combat. If we look at the HISS as a low-cost, lightweight troop transport or infantry support vehicle designed for counterinsurgency in third-world IED-heavy conflicts, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Personally, I really love the HiSS V tank! It is (IMHO) the best looking vehicle produced by Hasbro for GI Joe. It has a really high-tech look that could actually work. As a really lightly armored vehicle, it's narrow profile and ability to engage from a hull-down position makes perfect sense. For transport, it can be broken down into three large components. Two track sections and the hull. By extension, I see the Retaliation HiSS as a compromise of the Mk.V. Attempting to improve the firepower on a chassis never designed to carry it. The turret holds a short barreled, large bore cannon - not unlike the 152 mm gun/launcher used on the M60A2 and M551 Sheridan capable of firing a low velocity shell or guided missile. This is backed up by a pair of Vulcan cannons with a limited ammunition supply. Last edited by IC3 VIP3R; 09-12-2017 at 03:22 PM.. Reason: Got my HiSS marks messed up - doh! |
09-13-2017, 06:35 AM | #25 |
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09-13-2017, 06:22 PM | #26 |
Cobra Viper
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Ha ha ha...oh my word. I needed that laugh so much. Sometimes the truth hurts, and the things you hold dear are what's being made fun of. I though of at least a half-a-dozen other vehicles that were far more ridiculous that what was on that list, but once they pointed out why they were there, it made alot of sense.
For example, even as a kid, I absolutely loved the H.A.V.O.C. It's one of my all-time favorite Joe vehicles, and I've been actively looking to get one lately, but even back in the day, I questioned having an open-air driver's-seat perched out on top where a sniper could take poor ol' Cross-Country out with very little skill or effort. (lol) Now I still like the army-green color of the armor and tread-covers, but what's up with the bright-orange missles and cannons?! Why has that never even occurred to me in over thirty years?? (lol) There's so much wasted space in the front canopy, and two guys laying face down to man and shoot two tiny swiveling cannons seems like overkill for a space that could have been reserved for a protected driver and co-pilot. When you stop and truly think about it, it's absurd. But I still love it...to me, G.I. Joe was always like the battle-ready anti-terrorist unit that was given the opportunity to field-test prototype military hardware that conventional units weren't yet privy to. (Which is why Battleforce 2000 was always kinda redundant to me, no matter how much I loved it and still do...G.I. Joe was like one big Battleforce 2000 unit in and of itself to begin with, which is like the C.I.A. having a super-secret operative unit, but I digress...) Also, as a kid, I always wanted the Devilfish, but really...it's an orange boat!! It looks like it's more suited for The Adventure People, for those of you that partially grew up in the mid-to-late 70s, like I did. It just doesn't scream "military watercraft" to me, but dang if I don't still love it and want one... Now when the dude rags on the Rattler, them's fightin' words. (lol) I can't think of a more intimidating-looking aircraft than the A-10 Thunderbolt. I do think aesthetically it suits the Joes more, and I desperately want the late-90s TRU version, but it's like one of the sacred elite of the Cobra vehicles, and I miss mine terribly... Love the list...I may not agree with it completely, and I still love the vehicles lampooned on it, but it's so funny, and so true, realistically-speaking, but I guess that's not always the point when it comes to toys, right?
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09-13-2017, 06:42 PM | #27 |
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I agree with what you said. I never thought of the HISS as a MBT. However, I highly doubt Cobra really cared about the survivability of the crew...haha.
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09-14-2017, 08:04 AM | #28 |
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Now when the dude rags on the Rattler, them's fightin' words. (lol) I can't think of a more intimidating-looking aircraft than the A-10 Thunderbolt. I do think aesthetically it suits the Joes more, and I desperately want the late-90s TRU version, but it's like one of the sacred elite of the Cobra vehicles, and I miss mine terribly...
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09-30-2017, 10:10 AM | #29 |
Cobra Viper
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: South Carolina
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i love this list. oldie but a goody. Buzz Boar and Pogo definitely contributed to my loss of interest in Joe in 1987 (thankfully my interest was reignited in 1988 as Transformers waned)
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10-01-2017, 04:35 AM | #30 |
Crimson Guard
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The one vehicle I will defend to the death is the HISS. Not just because it's the iconic Cobra vehicle, but I think it actually makes a certain amount of sense.
Here's my rationale: The HISS is clearly not heavy enough to be considered a main battle tank. It has more in common with an infantry fighting vehicle, and probably sits in the same weight class as a Bradley, Striker, or K21. The biggest criticism of the HISS (as mentioned in the article) is that it perches on top of its treads. The slab sides and high profile are usually the opposite of what we want in a tank. Main battle tank designs emphasize the importance of a low profile and thick frontal glacis. So it's pretty clear the HISS is not meant to go toe-to-toe with armor on an open battlefield. But if we reconsider its role, it starts to make a bit more sense. Modern counterinsurgency-oriented vehicles like MRAPs sit quite high off the ground in order to (1) add clearance between a mine and the chassis and (2) accommodate a v-shaped hull. Placing the treads directly under the hull means you have a lot of metal mass in between the road and the crew, which is highly desirable if crew survivability is your goal. The high center of gravity makes it undesirable for broken terrain (where tanks don't really excel anyway) but the narrow track width, and the elevated driver and turret are ideal for jungle or urban combat. If we look at the HISS as a low-cost, lightweight troop transport or infantry support vehicle designed for counterinsurgency in third-world IED-heavy conflicts, it actually makes a lot of sense. My biggest complaints is that its weapons cannot shoot downwards at targets inside maybe forty yards, and it lacks a close quarters weapon like tanks usually have (there it is, a GI Joe toy that is UNDERgunned). The Modern HISS V improves mobility, protection and survivability but lacks the raw firepower of the medium-barreled 90mm guns on the original. Its situational awareness comes more from electronics and optics then POV and eyeballs, making it more suitable for all-weather and night time operations. Its canon and mortar are designed to destroy soft-targets and fortifications and are not considered effective against armor and aircraft. Its more of a pure counter-insurgency weapon.
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