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11-11-2008, 04:17 PM | #1 |
Sypher
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Hey guys,
Seen a bunch of posts that reference a list of vehicle molds from the original line of Joes (back in '82) that Hasbro has reported as either being damaged or no longer available. Could someone point me to a post with the list (or maybe another website with it). I'm just curious about what might/might not be made in the future, and I've been unable to find this list (except for the references here). Thanks. Sypher |
11-11-2008, 04:22 PM | #2 |
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I think this question has been asked a million times before but I'd like a definitive list (by somebody who actually knows) myself. At one time I heard the Tomahawk and Battle Platform molds were either broken beyond repair or lost. Some molds were sold off too if I remember correctly.
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11-11-2008, 04:53 PM | #3 |
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To be brutally honest, not even Hasbro really knows what is still usable or whatnot. Master Collector has largely taken on the task of warehouse diving to see what Hasbro has (which has produced some very nice repaints of later years).
If you are considering what might come out in the regular retail line, any such list would be moot. Hasbro has already proven that they are quite willing to completely remake vehicles as they see the need (the Skyhawk and Water mocassin are both entirely new molds). My personal estimate is that Hasbro still has access to some 20-30% of the Joe line, the problem is that a majority of these molds come from years in which fans have shown little interest or outright disdain over.
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11-11-2008, 05:13 PM | #4 |
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It would also be interesting to see just where these molds went and some of the stuff they were used for.
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11-11-2008, 05:27 PM | #5 |
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I have always wondered this too. Also on the molds that are not usable or were destroyed couldnt they recast them? that has always been bugging me when i hear a mold was destroyed or damaged.
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11-11-2008, 07:08 PM | #6 |
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The problem is...recasting a pieces to a 20+ year old toy costs just as much as making a brand new mold. Design and sculpting are fairly easy, the real cost in toys is the massive steel molds actually used in the production of the figures. Then it becomes a case of return on investment. Is it really worthwhile to recast the head of Snake eyes v2, or put that cost into a new 25th anniversary figure head? Judging by the success (or lack thereof) from the Master Collector figure packs over the past few years, I'm thinking not.
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11-11-2008, 07:20 PM | #7 |
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Well, I have heard from several independent sources (and I'm not a guy who knows things, but it seems to be common knowledge) that the Skystriker mold got destroyed beyond repair due to Funskool washing it with saltwater. If that's true then all the people waiting for a new Skystriker are gonna be waiting a long while.
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11-11-2008, 08:50 PM | #8 |
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I’m driving around in the mold for the U.S.S. Flagg (My 06 Mitsubishi Eclipse) I am sure 15 years ago some guy in Hasbro Corp. said hey we have all these molds around and we can make money by recycling them. That is me thinking they were metal molds of some sort...(lets find him and kick his ash)
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11-11-2008, 10:14 PM | #9 |
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Well, I have heard from several independent sources (and I'm not a guy who knows things, but it seems to be common knowledge) that the Skystriker mold got destroyed beyond repair due to Funskool washing it with saltwater. If that's true then all the people waiting for a new Skystriker are gonna be waiting a long while.
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I’m driving around in the mold for the U.S.S. Flagg (My 06 Mitsubishi Eclipse) I am sure 15 years ago some guy in Hasbro Corp. said hey we have all these molds around and we can make money by recycling them. That is me thinking they were metal molds of some sort...(lets find him and kick his ash)
Hasbro was able to reissue the 92 HQ and MCC in 2001 and 2003 respectively (9 and 16 years since their initial releases). Hasbro even still has access to just about the entire 1982 figure catalog. There have generally been four major causes for mold loss: 1. Brazil- Brazil was a MAJOR international producer of GI Joe, but is notorious as a mold "black hole" due to various factors. Some molds up and dissappeared, while many (such as the 85 SE and Torch tools) were loss when Hasbro recovered the molds and the freighter sank en route to China. 2. India- As stated above, hasbro was still sending India figure molds as late as 2002, but took poor care of the tools, resulting in mold damage. 3. Hasbro Warehouse fire- Around 1996, Hasbro had a warehouse fire which destroyed many more molds, including pieces of the mauler and who knows what else. 4. Mislabel- 20 years is a long time and some tools are simply mislabeled or misplaced over in China. Master collector has taken the time to research and locate tools, but Hasbro has not shown any interest in doing so, especially not with the 25th line. While time has effected many tools, those are generally the big reasons why stuff is gone/missing. However, Mattel HAS recycled its molds before. The original Masters of the Universe molds were melted down and used in the construction of one of Hong Kong's airports.
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11-11-2008, 10:16 PM | #10 |
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And it wasn't just the Skystriker, but MANY of the molds Hasbro shipped over to India around 2001/2002 ended up with significant damage due to Funskool's poor maintenance of the molds. That's why even though some figures were last seen in the US in 2001, their molds may not be usable anymore.
Actually, from what I've observed over the years is that Hasbro (and Kenner before them) were actually fairly prudent in maintaining their molds. Back in 1995, when Star Wars came back out, Hasbro still had access to pretty much the entire catalog of vehicle molds for the vintage line (which hadn't been on retail shelves in a decade). Hasbro was able to reissue the 92 HQ and MCC in 2001 and 2003 respectively (9 and 16 years since their initial releases). Hasbro even still has access to just about the entire 1982 figure catalog. There have generally been four major causes for mold loss: 1. Brazil- Brazil was a MAJOR international producer of GI Joe, but is notorious as a mold "black hole" due to various factors. Some molds up and dissappeared, while many (such as the 85 SE and Torch tools) were loss when Hasbro recovered the molds and the freighter sank en route to China. 2. India- As stated above, hasbro was still sending India figure molds as late as 2002, but took poor care of the tools, resulting in mold damage. 3. Hasbro Warehouse fire- Around 1996, Hasbro had a warehouse fire which destroyed many more molds, including pieces of the mauler and who knows what else. 4. Mislabel- 20 years is a long time and some tools are simply mislabeled or misplaced over in China. Master collector has taken the time to research and locate tools, but Hasbro has not shown any interest in doing so, especially not with the 25th line. While time has effected many tools, those are generally the big reasons why stuff is gone/missing. However, Mattel HAS recycled its molds before. The original Masters of the Universe molds were melted down and used in the construction of one of Hong Kong's airports.
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