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05-03-2009, 08:36 PM | #71 |
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IMO A complete figure is the figure, stand and accessories.
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05-03-2009, 09:04 PM | #72 |
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Passenger seat was a bad example all the way around (it's like taking an arm away from a fig) but I still found a way to fight it : - )
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05-03-2009, 09:10 PM | #73 |
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to me, loose is all weapons, accessories, stand and filecard. But I always ask the seller/trader first for list of everything.
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05-03-2009, 09:11 PM | #74 |
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Here's the deal IMO (in my opinion)
A Filecard is part of the packaging, I collect loose, it's not required. Filecards and stands are not included with every figure (GI Joe or any other line). So for everyone that says a Filecard and stand make a figure complete, I know a sh*t ton of people that are gonna be pissed off when they realize that their Star Wars, Mego, Star Trek, Thundercats, MOTU, Etc. Collections that they have bought over the years are worthless because the majority of their figures are incomplete. And GI Joe Vehicles! Without blue prints, better throw em out, because that USS Flagg is incomplete without the instructions right? Here's yet another Collector argument...Is a vehicle that came with a driver complete without the driver? Is the driver complete without the vehicle? So, if you have a HardTop Defiant Pilot with his mic and gun - complete or incomplete?
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05-03-2009, 09:13 PM | #75 |
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yes, but the OP is referring to 25th collection and what constitute as complete. I think the filecard goes along with it.
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05-03-2009, 09:24 PM | #76 |
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I feel ya : - )
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05-03-2009, 09:29 PM | #77 |
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I have a few reasonable question (I hope)...
For those that need the stand and file card to have a complete figure, why is it so important to call it 100% rather than 110%? Why is it so unreasonable to call stands and file cards bonuses and just say that you collect those bonus items as well? Wouldn't this simple step clear up all the muddy water surrounding the issue? Isn't it better than telling your buddy who doesn't give a crap about those items, that his collection is inferior or incomplete without them? Or would you rather be "that guy" that does those things?
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05-03-2009, 09:29 PM | #78 |
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I spoke my opinion and you state your opinion as "actual" wrong way to go about this with me because I can go on all night, I have lots of opinions.
1st - a Bats hand is a Bats hand - Accessories are essential to the figure and sometimes even define the specific release of that figure. (IE: same figure released with different accessories in different packaging) THIS IS A FACT - which my opinion is based on. 2nd - If a stand is essential to display then why are so many action figures sold without stands? And who in the world would buy them? and why are stand sold separately if every figure should have one anyway? The FACT is that some figures are sold with stands and others are not - therefore LOGICALLY, a stand is not essential to a figure. Again, I base my opinion on the facts. 3rd - FACT is that not all 25th figures were released with stands. If they were essential then the figures released without them are incomplete? LOGIC supersedes opinion on this one, a stand is not essential if the same like item can be released with and without one. 4th - I define all that I sell very clear, but I have based my definitions upon years of doing business in the action figure world and speaking with other sellers and collectors. I have based my opinion on 15+ years of research with fellow collectors and sellers, what research exactly is your opinion based on? 5th - A passenger seat really? So, you would consider Nascar and other racers incomplete? What about small cars with no back seats - are they not complete cars? You brought it up, I am just asking : - ) BTW the only reason I am being such a smart ass is how you presented your self on this one. Express your opinion all you want, but as soon as you tell me or anyone that I am WRONG for a varying opinion, you cross the line, and you leave yourself wide open for ridicule. That's exactly why talks of politics and religion are barred, because people do not know how to present themselves without attacking another persons belief. so, complete means just that -- complete in regards to what it is, not what you find that it comes with is useful. big difference between the two. by your logic, I can not find backpacks useful and claim it is my opinion that a figure is complete without the backpack it came with. if everyone used the same words but made up there own definitions, there would be no meaningful communication. not to mention, like I said, whether a part is useful has zero to do with whether it was included with a figure and constitutes all the pieces that cam with it. and these stands aren't arbitrary, they have the names printed on each and are without a doubt intended to be part of the complete figure. 15 years of research? these figures haven't been around for 15 years. not to mention each individual toy is judged complete by what it comes with, not what toys in general come with. everyone of your arguments is arbitrary, and you've made up your own definition which we see runs in contradiction with the general consensus. so, to use a word we all know means something specific in a way that means something else is deceptive on your part. |
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05-03-2009, 09:40 PM | #79 |
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Then, by your definition of the word, all LOOSE figures are "incomplete", as they all originally came in a package. Actually they all originally came packaged in a case with other carded figures. Then again...each piece was manufactured separately, so a foot is complete in that respect.
You should know by know that the English language is full of words with multiple meanings and usages, and that this whole debate is really just a matter of personal perspective and opinion. In my opinion, viewing the stands and cards as bonus items does not belittle those who collect them...but when you say my collection is incomplete because I do not collect them, then you are belittling me and my kind, minority or not. So do you wanna be the plastic crack Hitler, or do you wanna be an open minded collector who respects others? I choose the latter. Quote:
this isn't a matter of opinion, though. either something is complete or it isn't. there is no middle ground on it. why do you use the word "complete?" because you know it means something specific to the receiver of the message. so to use the word because you know it means something to them, but use it in a way that they don't use it, is deceptive. that's a basic of communication -- we use words and terms that have specific meanings so there is no ambiguity of the message.
so, complete means just that -- complete in regards to what it is, not what you find that it comes with is useful. big difference between the two. by your logic, I can not find backpacks useful and claim it is my opinion that a figure is complete without the backpack it came with. if everyone used the same words but made up there own definitions, there would be no meaningful communication. not to mention, like I said, whether a part is useful has zero to do with whether it was included with a figure and constitutes all the pieces that cam with it. and these stands aren't arbitrary, they have the names printed on each and are without a doubt intended to be part of the complete figure. 15 years of research? these figures haven't been around for 15 years. not to mention each individual toy is judged complete by what it comes with, not what toys in general come with. everyone of your arguments is arbitrary, and you've made up your own definition which we see runs in contradiction with the general consensus. so, to use a word we all know means something specific in a way that means something else is deceptive on your part.
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05-03-2009, 09:43 PM | #80 |
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the easiest way to satisfy everyone is just to specify in the listong if it has the stand and filecard. im bad about not listing it with the filecard (but specify if they have a stand) however in all my pics you can see there is no filecard. if the filecard is with the figure i include that in the discription. seems easy to me.
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