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09-18-2015, 05:24 PM | #2031 |
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People will do anything and steal anything, this is no different than people taking a brand new pair of shoes and leaving their old ones in the box. You do have to wait until they leave the store because otherwise they can claim they were still going to pay for it.
Be sure to know though, if they catch you in the act, they send a plain clothed person to watch you, record you on camera, and then bust you as you leave the store. More than once I was called by LP to go near a person they suspected and make them nervous enough to leave or to ignore the instore beeper if/when they set it off and let them walk out.
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09-18-2015, 05:33 PM | #2032 |
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People have already been brought up on charges for lots of kinds of return or sales fraud. Buying Playstations and returning them with rocks in the boxes, printing out cheap UPC stickers and putting them on expensive Lego sets to check out at a lower price, and taking stuff off the shelves and walking up to the return counter to return it without having purchased it first.
The essence is that you don't technically need to "steal" something in the old-fashioned sense for it to be an illegal form of theft or fraud. Let's say I buy a TV, take it home, don't open it and return it. Then let's say the store fails to open the box and check it, either at the time of return (which is what some places do with high-dollar items) or before putting it back out for sale. Later, that same TV is sold to another customer, who then return it because the box is full of rubbish instead of TV. The problem now becomes, when did the theft occur? Was it me? Did I open it, steal the contents, reseal it and return it? Or was it the second customer? Or was it someone else before me? Or was it an employee? Furthermore, was it even the same unit I previously bought and returned? Now let's say I buy a TV, take it home, open it, replace the good shit with a few bricks and return it. This time, the store opens the box right there in front of me and they find the bricks, but no TV. Caught red-handed, right? Nope. Not unless they can prove I was the one who stole that TV. They might try to refuse the return, but then I could just raise hell that I was being defrauded! I bought in good faith, found out the item wasn't needed and now I can't get my cash back because the store sold me a box of bricks instead of a TV! The only way a retailer can catch these sorts of thieves is if they're stupid enough to be repeat offenders (and many of them are). Even then, it's still hard to prove outright theft/fraud. Usually, instead of prosecuting these repeat/chronic offenders, they just ban them from the store and refuse them service of any sort. Last edited by SmokeBellew; 09-18-2015 at 06:35 PM.. |
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09-18-2015, 09:01 PM | #2033 |
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How would the average female checkout person have any idea what's supposed to be in the box?
Since TRU now requires driver's licenses for returns, they should be able to investigate who actually did that return in their computer records. I'd point it out to them and see if they can get his identity that way. Problem is what happens if the guy claims it was like that when he bought it? They'd need good security cam footage of what he was holding at the date and time that he checked out, but they at least could get the date and time off his receipt. But will that all cost more in manpower than the $20 bucks they lost? |
09-18-2015, 09:08 PM | #2034 |
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People have already been brought up on charges for lots of kinds of return or sales fraud. Buying Playstations and returning them with rocks in the boxes, printing out cheap UPC stickers and putting them on expensive Lego sets to check out at a lower price, and taking stuff off the shelves and walking up to the return counter to return it without having purchased it first.
The essence is that you don't technically need to "steal" something in the old-fashioned sense for it to be an illegal form of theft or fraud. |
09-19-2015, 12:34 AM | #2035 |
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I heard of one case that actually made the national news last year. A Mom and her adult son were rolling into TRUs and taking a large boxed cheap item, removing the contents and stuffing the original box with Lego sets. They eventually got caught but had made tens of thousands of dollars reselling online.
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09-19-2015, 01:25 AM | #2036 |
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It wouldn't be human nature to not do the same thing twice if you already were morally okay with it, it was profitable and you got away with it.
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09-19-2015, 10:20 AM | #2037 |
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Well, yes and no. Some are greedy or make a lifestyle out of scamming/thieving, while others are either one and done or are smart enough to put some time in between each big "score"/not hit the same store repeatedly. Just talking about major, high dollar items here (like TVs and game consoles).Smaller repacks thefts, like with Joe toys, are probably being committed by the same few folks over and over again.
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09-20-2015, 09:04 AM | #2038 |
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The problem with prosecuting repacks is that the burden of proof for any sort of repack is all on the store. It's a crime that's committed off store premises and that poses all sorts of issues for the store. They have to be able to prove that the customer knowingly committed fraud/theft, which generally means that, in the absence of clear photographic evidence, the store has to establish a track record of fraud/theft/repacking by that particular customer.
Let's say I buy a TV, take it home, don't open it and return it. Then let's say the store fails to open the box and check it, either at the time of return (which is what some places do with high-dollar items) or before putting it back out for sale. Later, that same TV is sold to another customer, who then return it because the box is full of rubbish instead of TV. The problem now becomes, when did the theft occur? Was it me? Did I open it, steal the contents, reseal it and return it? Or was it the second customer? Or was it someone else before me? Or was it an employee? Furthermore, was it even the same unit I previously bought and returned? Now let's say I buy a TV, take it home, open it, replace the good shit with a few bricks and return it. This time, the store opens the box right there in front of me and they find the bricks, but no TV. Caught red-handed, right? Nope. Not unless they can prove I was the one who stole that TV. They might try to refuse the return, but then I could just raise hell that I was being defrauded! I bought in good faith, found out the item wasn't needed and now I can't get my cash back because the store sold me a box of bricks instead of a TV! The only way a retailer can catch these sorts of thieves is if they're stupid enough to be repeat offenders (and many of them are). Even then, it's still hard to prove outright theft/fraud. Usually, instead of prosecuting these repeat/chronic offenders, they just ban them from the store and refuse them service of any sort. |
09-22-2015, 08:57 PM | #2039 |
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The other thing to remember is that with a $2000 TV or a $400 game console they will check but with a $10 toy they're not going to bother. I have noticed that whenever I return an action figure nowadays the clerks seem to look close to make sure its sealed, but I doubt anyone who isn't an adult fan would know the difference between a modern Joe and an o-ring one.
It gets better, we have a system of pictures to pull up per item to check what they look like, but we found out the hard way that this is a waste of time. Repackers don't come at regular hours, they often try to slip items in when our employees have no time to check, they come at our busiest days, holidays and in the mornings and at night. Now we just ask for no one to cover their head and face and then time stamp returns and check the video to identify re packers. If the flagship store I work at which gets better trained toy specialists still gets repacks, I'm sure the problem is much worse in places where |
10-01-2015, 05:20 PM | #2040 |
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Why...
This is SDCC Thor above the legs swapped into the retail figure. It's not the worst repack you could buy if you had to buy one. Last edited by JediJones; 10-01-2015 at 05:22 PM.. |
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