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03-29-2012, 05:16 PM | #1 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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...is that when the 25th Anniversary line hit the shelves, it was relatively easy to find most of the figures. There wasn't any real short-packed items from what I recall. But as the line progressed and became the Modern Era, something began to change. The more desireable figures were impossible to find, which only makes sense that if more collectors are after a certain figure that it would be harder to find. Still, with patience I managed to find all of the Modern Era figures at retail.
Here's where it gets sketchier. If memory serves correctly, around the time that ROC swag hit the stores, Family Dollar began to carry Modern Era figures. Even back then stuff sold out at HTS, but all of a sudden here are a bunch more of these figures for $3 a piece. Where did they come from? ROC really had no complaints from me as far as distribution; there was a movie in need of support, and I found nearly all of these figures at retail (still no Kamakura, but no big loss since I wasn't too impressed by this figure). But at the end of that line, strange things happened again. First, items that were supposed to be relegated as chain-specific exclusives were cancelled, finally surfacing at discount retailers about a year after the fact. There's a lot about economics I don't understand as far as why they were cancelled, but the things were made already. And where did they hide these things all that time? Then POC debuted, and I was overseas. I made it home in January 2011 and spent my vacation hitting up stores and eventually got everyone from the first two waves except Snow Job. I had preordered everything beforehand, but cancelled them. I did however get Snow Job eventually through a trade, and have gotten everyone else from the 30th line. But that damn wave with Low Light and moneybags Destro seems to have been specifically designed to frustrate the hell out of us. I got a Shadow Tracker in another trade, but the rest are still AWOL from my collection. Since the very start of the POC line, HTS seems to refuse to carry new stock as far as GI Joe goes. I just don't get it. It seems as if there are plenty of product made, but is intentionally held back. For what purpose? And what happens with any overstock that might be forgotten in some magical warehouse? I believe someone out there might be able to answer these questions. Will it be you?
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03-29-2012, 05:30 PM | #2 |
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Well its obvious from 2007-2008 there was a huge resurgence of peeps wanting this stuff. That could expalin the disappareances beggining for the harder to find figures. Back then I woudln't call it stocking huge either, becuase most stores only had 1 box of what it was i think 8 figures? on 1-2 pegs tops. Then the revision cases hit for those who missed the 25th carded figures with re-releases of tons of those first run figures a lot already had thus pushing back the later waves up until ROC.
ROC of course put an abrupt halt on that and all of the stuff retail balked on went to the next bidder of Ross like locations and then from there some even trickled over to family dollar (which I am suprised ROC hasnt doen at this point) Due to the enourmous failure of ROC and its toys, retailers severly cut back and then you have the terrific stocking and inventory prcoess at most big box retailers with the joe product to blame for the fiaulres in distribution, ordering, restocking and re-odering from POC through the 30th up until the point where the 30th died as a result of impending retaliation toys. Thats how i see it. IN reality the issue has alway sbeen the same, poor retail support, minimal product being offered to retail as a result and Hasbro being to damned quick with turn over from wave to wave (which retial totally ignores, they dotn know a wave from a sporting goods items) availbility for retail to order cases. I dotn see how Marvel can have so many re-isues via consistent revision cases that constantly have thie rpegs full of just about any figure you need and they keep comming. SO who ever is in charge of that needs to look at the Joes! lol yeah like that will EVER happen...
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03-29-2012, 06:03 PM | #3 |
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Due to the enourmous failure of ROC and its toys, retailers severly cut back and then you have the terrific stocking and inventory prcoess at most big box retailers with the joe product to blame for the fiaulres in distribution, ordering, restocking and re-odering from POC through the 30th up until the point where the 30th died as a result of impending retaliation toys.
Kind of true, ROC is a big issue for Joe, but the distrobution issues are accross the board with Hasbro, from Marvel to Star Wars, Figures like Ashoka (season 3), Aqua Droid (Who just became available in a repack), Bespin Han, Ponda Boda (Walrus man), Balista Shan, ect, were all near impossible to find at retail as Renegades Storm Shadow. Marvel-Dear lord, thier distro is so bad you are luck if you can find the current wave at the comic shop. Ask anyone looking for the latest comic packs that have been out since December. Point is this is a Hasbro issue, everything they make is effected Quote:
I dotn see how Marvel can have so many re-isues via consistent revision cases that constantly have thie rpegs full of just about any figure you need and they keep comming. SO who ever is in charge of that needs to look at the Joes! lol yeah like that will EVER happen...
Hell, on the revision cases, that's been a huge sticking point as Hasbro keeps insisting on putting out figures that warm the pegs (Wrecker, Gladiator, the various IM's and Spidey's) instead of the hard to find figures like the aforementioned Vision, Archangel, Colossus, Cable (although he did finally make it into the last revision, one per case), or any other figure that people would actually buy. |
03-29-2012, 06:21 PM | #4 |
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WHAT Marvel line are you collecting, Vision, Archangel, and tons of other characters rub against that grain. Hell, on the revision cases, that's been a huge sticking point as Hasbro keeps insisting on putting out figures that warm the pegs (Wrecker, Gladiator, the various IM's and Spidey's) instead of the hard to find figures like the aforementioned Vision, Archangel, Colossus, Cable (although he did finally make it into the last revision, one per case), or any other figure that people would actually buy. Its a retail issue dude, espceially with stock room pilferers. That truley messes up the case load outs since most of the rare items never even hit the friggen floor. Why I oder the CASES from bbts, they dont come pilfered...
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03-29-2012, 06:32 PM | #5 |
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I suppose collecting new Joes is a crap shoot. I've been lucky to get to stores at the right time, or have gotten to a variety of stores over a wide area which helps. But the thing that bothers me, from a casual glance, is how much other lines get pumped into the stores. Especially when tied in with a movie.
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03-29-2012, 06:52 PM | #6 |
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They used to. Back when everyone was searching for yellow Stalker my two cases came in obviously opened and resealed. That was the only instance in my five years of dealing with BBTS that a factory case came tampered with, makes you wonder.
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03-30-2012, 04:28 AM | #7 |
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These hard to find figures are a great ploy by hasbro, to make collectors go on finding/spending fury to get these holy grails, Its a way of promoting the series just like the sdcc figs because without this would we be even talking about this link?
Creating hard to find figures is great for the collector, the satisfaction of finding/purchasing one of these is ommense an kind of gives bragging rites. OHHH LOOK WHAT I GOT!!!!!! This also pumps the price up (just look at ebay). Thats my 2 cents worth. |
03-30-2012, 04:43 AM | #8 |
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Online Preorder = easy to find.
I think it really comes down to what Retailers think they can sell and what they place orders for versus what is produced. Different areas get different orders. So what is rare in my backyard may peg warm in your town. Some stuff just isn't impressive to retail orders but wanted by "Collectors". Blame Canada - they have Scouts and Jungle BATs and we don't. |
03-30-2012, 04:43 AM | #9 |
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Have you ever eBayed 25th Sting Raider or Best of the 80's DVD? Those were definitely tough to find. I found multiples of each. The first 2 waves were everywhere, but when they disappeared and people started buying these en masse, the prices went crazy. They tried to temper prices with revision cases and releasing previously released figures in subsequent waves, but it didn't seem to help too much until they released everything on Comic/Cartoon cards.
I think the newer stuff is only harder to find because they're making less of it. |
03-30-2012, 05:23 AM | #10 |
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Discount stores buy a lot of surplus stock that retailers can't rid of, like stuff stagnating at their distri bution centers due to on-shelf items not selling. This is how some tail end or later waves end up at discount stores.
Unfortunately this doesn't bode well for new figures/vehicles in later waves. Low Light and Shadow Tracker were in the last 2010 wave of POC, wave 4 was very sporadic in my area, wave 5 came and went, and wave 6 was only readily available for a few weeks(in my area). I really wish Hasbro would save their repaints for later waves instead of fleshing out earlier waves with them. |
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