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01-25-2020, 01:24 PM | #71 |
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I mean, maybe you weren't alive then, but it may be a shock to you that the world was a different place almost 40 years ago, and those kinds of stories were far more acceptable in the media of that time.
Hama has always struck me as a pragmatic fellow. The blonde-haired, blue-eyed hero was pretty much the standard for "main character" at the time, and Hasbro itself probably would have nixed the idea if Hama tried to make him explicitly Asian in 1982. He wasn't Asian because he wasn't Asian. That's it. That being said, the race debate is getting pretty tiresome. there are already plenty of threads that have turned into that. I fail to see how it's relevant to "Henry Golding Clarifies the Origin Change for Snake Eyes". (that's not specifically at you, btw)
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01-25-2020, 02:49 PM | #72 |
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Hollywood always tries to PC culture things up and its usually bland and dumb and its not the least be surprising or interesting. The story Larry told way back in the day was well crafted and stood the test of time. Silent Interlude is a very famous comic, for example, not just famous Joe comic.
Those two Joe movies put out, standard stuff you'd find in the Walmart cheap bin. That was before entertainment went insane, those we're just bland popcorn action movies. Now, Ghostbusters 2016 tried play into the PC crowd, that blu ray is also probably in the Walmart cheap bin as well. |
01-25-2020, 05:33 PM | #73 |
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While I definitely agree on the world being a different place, and I'm not one of the "blonde-haired, blue-eyed only whiners", I don't think Snake Eyes was intended to be the main character at first. He definitely ended up that way as his popularity grew, especially into the 90's, but I really don't think Hasbro would've taken issue with the silent, faceless dude being Asian... and I also don't see any reason why being specifically Asian would have necessarily been a thought at all... he was first intended to be a commando, not a ninja, and only really became one due to the 80's "ninja boom". Lastly, I doubt Hasbro would've "nixed" it. we're talking about one of the most diverse franchises of it's time, after all.
He wasn't Asian because he wasn't Asian. That's it. That being said, the race debate is getting pretty tiresome. there are already plenty of threads that have turned into that. I fail to see how it's relevant to "Henry Golding Clarifies the Origin Change for Snake Eyes". (that's not specifically at you, btw) Quote:
Hollywood always tries to PC culture things up and its usually bland and dumb and its not the least be surprising or interesting. The story Larry told way back in the day was well crafted and stood the test of time. Silent Interlude is a very famous comic, for example, not just famous Joe comic.
Those two Joe movies put out, standard stuff you'd find in the Walmart cheap bin. That was before entertainment went insane, those we're just bland popcorn action movies. Now, Ghostbusters 2016 tried play into the PC crowd, that blu ray is also probably in the Walmart cheap bin as well. |
01-25-2020, 08:50 PM | #74 |
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I mean, maybe you weren't alive then, but it may be a shock to you that the world was a different place almost 40 years ago, and those kinds of stories were far more acceptable in the media of that time.
Hama has always struck me as a pragmatic fellow. The blonde-haired, blue-eyed hero was pretty much the standard for "main character" at the time, and Hasbro itself probably would have nixed the idea if Hama tried to make him explicitly Asian in 1982. Black Panther,Luke Cage,Shang Chi,The International Xmen and many other nonwhite characters predate Snake plus as a whole GI Joe has been diverse. Snake could have been anything and if problematic he could have been killed off and replaced. Just cause Hama is Asian doesn't mean hes only allowed to create Asian characters Just like whites have created nonwhite characters of course twitter wants to call them out now lol. |
01-25-2020, 09:25 PM | #75 |
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“PC” logic is just an ouroboros in the end. As “offensive” as it may be to make a white guy come in and master an Asian set, isn’t it equally offensive, and in a more valid way, to say only Asians can master martial arts? Aren’t those the typecastings that Asian actors have been trying to repel for decades?
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01-25-2020, 10:06 PM | #76 |
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Diffrent as in people cry about something on Twitter and people give in.
Black Panther,Luke Cage,Shang Chi,The International Xmen and many other nonwhite characters predate Snake plus as a whole GI Joe has been diverse. Snake could have been anything and if problematic he could have been killed off and replaced. Just cause Hama is Asian doesn't mean hes only allowed to create Asian characters Just like whites have created nonwhite characters of course twitter wants to call them out now lol. Quote:
“PC” logic is just an ouroboros in the end. As “offensive” as it may be to make a white guy come in and master an Asian set, isn’t it equally offensive, and in a more valid way, to say only Asians can master martial arts? Aren’t those the typecastings that Asian actors have been trying to repel for decades?
Beyond that, Asian folks who argue for more and better representation aren't arguing against Asians being better at the martial arts native to their cultures...they're arguing about Asians being able to do and be more than JUST martial arts and running Asian restaurants in fictional media. |
01-25-2020, 10:26 PM | #77 |
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...but that’s the point, albeit fantastical. SE does all this, which plants the seeds of jealousy amongst the others who are left dumbfounded by his inexplicable rise to the top of the clan. The sheer impossibility is what makes the story intriguing!
I hope you’re not really calling that cultural appropriation.
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01-25-2020, 10:28 PM | #78 |
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In my opinion we are just going the wrong way. There is too much focus on having “inclusivity and diversity” forced upon everyone. As stated by others here, G I Joe, at least ARAH, has always been diverse and inclusive; we had tough ladies like Lady Jaye, Scarlett, Baroness and Zarana. Quick Kick, Spirit, Starduster, Roadblock, Heavy Duty and Hector Ramirez and the list goes on. I just do not like characters that have been around and adored for almost 40 years to be messed with. I do not like Snake Eyes being change to an Asian just like I do not like Quick Kick or Storm Shadow to be a white Anglo. I would be just as upset if Roadblock or Heavy Duty were to be played by white guys or Scarlet, Lady Jaye or Baroness to be played by men.
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01-25-2020, 10:30 PM | #79 |
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You either don't understand what I've been saying or are deliberately misrepresenting it, either way I don't see any further point in trying to carry on the conversation. It's likely just going to end in the kind of attacks that aren't allowed on this site.
I mean, I guess if you want to act like cultural appropriation isn't a thing, that's fine. The point isn't that Snake-Eyes becomes a master martial artist, it's that he does it faster than people that have been raised from birth to do it, and ultimately ends up (usually depicted as) superior to those that did (even if only by a hair). Beyond that, Asian folks who argue for more and better representation aren't arguing against Asians being better at the martial arts native to their cultures...they're arguing about Asians being able to do and be more than JUST martial arts and running Asian restaurants in fictional media. |
01-25-2020, 11:25 PM | #80 |
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Isn’t a component of their story that Tommy feels somewhat entitled as an heir, and Snake Eyes aptitude and discipline cause the masters to dote on him? So, in turn, he is able to excel because he understands he’s an outsider and must work harder as to where Tommy feels it’s his right by birth?
It’s not just a white guy being better just because. That being said, he can be of Asian descent and that still be the case, but that’s not the point I’m making. And, as an aside, I do reject the notion of cultural appropriation, but I’m not prepared to draft my explanation using a swipe pad on a cell phone.
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