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11-22-2019, 05:04 PM | #101 |
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11-22-2019, 05:14 PM | #102 |
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11-22-2019, 05:39 PM | #103 |
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11-22-2019, 05:42 PM | #104 |
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Kill off Han. Kill off Luke. Carrie Fisher is gone. The main heroes are an African American, droids, aliens, a Guatemalan/Cuban, an 8 foot Wookie, and damn near the only white person is female. But don't worry fans, all the white men will belong to the Dark Side. |
11-22-2019, 05:51 PM | #105 |
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To be fair, Harrison only agreed to come back if they killed Han. He has openly shitted on Star Wars since the the early '80s and wanted to be killed off in Return of the Jedi.
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Originally Posted by Harrison Ford
“I think it's a fitting use of the character. I've been arguing for Han Solo to die for about 30 years, not because I was tired of him or because he’s boring, but his sacrifice for the other characters would lend gravitas and emotional weight.”
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11-22-2019, 05:52 PM | #106 |
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What an awful, apologist misinterpretation. He washed his hands of everything, ran away and hid. He left his friends and family to die and fight a war without him.
He gave up. He quit. Only JAKE Skywalker would do those things. The real Luke Skywalker would never, ever attempt to murder his own nephew, his sister's and best friend's kid in cold blood, while his back was turned, while he was sleeping. He would never run away and hide, leaving them to die and fight a war without him. Luke would've tried anything and everything to bring his nephew back. The real, Luke, anyway. You know, like he did with his father, even though Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted Luke to fight and kill him. Luke refused, because he saw the good in him, even though Anakin had done what many would consider unforgivably evil things. What had Kylo done again when Jake considered slaughtering him like an animal? Enjoy your phony-baloney Jake Skywalker. You're not a fan of Star Wars. Nor did you understand anything you watched in the OT. I don’t like change for the sake of change. I like change when it tells a story. Luke lost his way and then found it again. People change. It’s a fact of life. Luke was a fresh eyed kid in the original trilogy. He got older and perhaps more cynical as everyone does as they grow older. He ‘betrayed’ (you and) himself, realized he was wrong and came back to save everyone at the sacrifice of himself, just like his master did so Luke and friends could escape the Death Star. I like character progression vs character stagnation. It’s interesting and fascinating when people change. It’s one of the reasons it was so dumb of Lucas to have Greedo shoot first. He wanted Han to always be the good guy; not a morally questionable scoundrel who only helps people if it pays him enough credits. Lucas’s change for Han ignores Han’s ability to grow and change as a character. Last edited by nightrattler; 11-22-2019 at 05:55 PM.. |
11-22-2019, 06:00 PM | #107 |
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Which doesn't surprise me.
Kill off Han. Kill off Luke. Carrie Fisher is gone. The main heroes are an African American, droids, aliens, a Guatemalan/Cuban, an 8 foot Wookie, and damn near the only white person is female. But don't worry fans, all the white men will belong to the Dark Side. Luke will be back as a Force Ghost and we all know, FG’s are more powerful than you’ll ever realize. I’m sure he will be back to kick some serious ass. |
11-22-2019, 06:04 PM | #108 |
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It's also interesting that you think this was a planned, story decision with the character's best interests in mind. Sorry, but the reality of it all couldn't be farther from that. Luke was discarded and tarnished because they wanted people to care about Rey - that's straight from the horse's mouth. It was all about building Rey up, at any cost. Even if that meant trashing one of the most iconic characters in film history. You are obviously ok with that. That's something we can agree to disagree with. Last edited by lantern48; 11-22-2019 at 06:11 PM.. |
11-22-2019, 06:09 PM | #109 |
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https://www.slashfilm.com/mark-hamil...ith-star-wars/ Read between the lines, he feels underused and disrespected, yet again. He's going to barely be in this next one, let alone "kick some serious ass". That's from a combination of paying attention and reading spoilers. So you can believe whatever you like, but in a few weeks you'll see there's no ass kicking going on. Last edited by lantern48; 11-22-2019 at 06:12 PM.. |
11-22-2019, 06:14 PM | #110 |
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The idea of Force Ghosts having any sort of real power outside of an advisory role at all is a terrible one, in my less than humble opinion. Really negates the whole story, in fact. Also makes Obi Wan and Yoda look like assholes.
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