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06-19-2009, 07:43 PM | #21 |
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However this movie goes, expect mad funny Rifftrax.
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06-19-2009, 08:07 PM | #22 |
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I agree with Mr. Gardner on the fan thing. There's just no way to cater to every fan out there. So you do your best, and hope you create something that caters to the marker you're aiming for (in RoC's case: new fans) and has elements that will draw in the old fan (which RoC does).
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06-19-2009, 08:28 PM | #23 |
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...RAH WOULDN'T have worked as a movie that's intended to launch a modern-day, multi-media franchise! (BTW, I was there at the beginning in '82, just so you know!) Naturally, there is the issue of "continuity". The Hama filecard and comics ARE pretty much synonamous, So that's one continuity, and the only one I personally ever cared about, for that reason. But then you have the folks that thought the cartoon was the be-all, end-all, since that was what THEY knew best, if they didn't read the comics. That show was a goofball campy perpetual string of sci-fi B-movie homages, more than it was ANY kind of "millitary special ops vs. terrorist millita" story. BUT it appealed to kids on a wide level, and it likely pushed the toy-sales in ways the COMICS never could! I personally watched it but couldn't bear to consider its portrayals of characters & storylines anything remotely "canon". The gods-awful animated movie (aside from the awesome opening!) put the nail in the coffin of the Sunbow show, and the DIC show never really caught on, despite continuing where they left off, more or less! (much like "New Adventures of He-Man"!) So then, you have NO continuity once the shows ended & the Marvel comics ended, until Devil's Due comes along & starts the new comic, kind of picking up where Marvel left off... Then "Spytroops" & "Valor vs. Venom" comes along, creating an ALL-NEW continuity aimed at the kids, and whether "adult" fans liked the toys & shows or not, it DID sell with the kids! Whatever dried up interest in the 3 3/4 line led to "Sigma 6", again aimed AT THE KIDS. It went for a while, but those big honking pieces of plastic couldn't possibly hold up in a high-priced oil economy, and then it was "anniversary time", and we get the 25th style, aimed at the adults largely, but trying to capture the kids too. yet even THIS still wasn't good enough for many RAH purists, and so G.I. Joe had to reinvent itself yet again to appeal to a "broad" audience, namely THE KIDS. And that, friends, is the point of it all... Hasbro is in the business of MAKING MONEY. You can't get shelf-space at the major retailers by appealing solely to "adult collectors", who are a NICHE in the economics of the toy industry, and a SMALL one at that! "Collectors" couldn't even sustain the DTC Joe-figures, or rather, chose not to! So there you have it, Hasbro TRIED in their own way to go straight for the collectors, and it didn't work. So they did it again with 25th, but still, just not enough! So here comes a live-action, big-screen movie, and all the merchendise to go with it, and hey, it's aimed AT KIDS. Why?? Because KIDS are what will carry or break this line! Look at MOTU. A flagship brand for Mattel's boys' products from the 80's... Plenty of fans & nostalgia! Brought back in the early 90's, and barely noticed. Revivied true to its concept in a new form for 2000... Mattel's horrid mismanagement and lack of support killed the 200X line well before its time, and now, MOTU has been regulated to a high-end, $20 a piece, limited production, on-line only "collector's line" that you have to be online for as soon as sales open or you miss it, and have to resort to E-Bay to get them! Does anyone really want G.I. Joe to end up a $20 online exclusive, or something similar? Hasbro doesn't! Hence the mysterious fate of "Marvel Legends", coming back "maybe someday", while Hasbro pushes 3/3/4 marvel Universe! So they gave the studio the rights to make this movie, open the concept of the Joes to a whole new audience, hope that some of the old audience follows along, and that will ultimately be what keeps G.I. Joe as a property in stores and on the shelves! Let's be honest, you can't sell post-Viet Nam, Cold-War era heroes as they are to the 6-12 year old kids, in 2009! You REINVENT it, try to maintain its core concept, and cross your fingers... And That is what ROC is all about, Charlie Brown!
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06-19-2009, 08:39 PM | #24 |
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why couldn't "Hollywood" keep the actual characters and story lines true to form? I mean cobra commander should be a guy in a blue suit with a metal mask or hood. Accelerator suits? that wasn't in any gi joe i remember so why add it? there are a million other things wrong with this movie (side note: making Soundwave a satellite not a boombox and Megatron a plane instead of a gun is the biggest blasphemy i can think of) Gi Joe & transformers were successful as they were why do they need to change everything that made it classic in the first place? Their answer would be we need to appeal to a mass audience to recoup all their money and make a profit. But why couldn't a movie that stayed true to the original story not sell? No one ever truly answers that question? I guess true to form the general public seems to truly enjoy crappy watered down mindless entertainment... the hills, jerry springer, the 1st transformers movie etc... so a crappy bland action movie called Gi Joe with everyone in black robot suits and a movie poster with the baronesses ass as the focal point is right up the general public's alley. Kids will probably like it but I think they are getting a lesser product line/movie than they deserve with the name Gi Joe attached. Oh well, I said my peace.
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06-19-2009, 08:54 PM | #25 |
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...The core IS still there... Millitary Special Ops vs. high-tech terrorists! Besides, WHICH story? Therein lies the trouble! Accelerator suits show up in ONE scene as untested tech, and that's it! It's a "neato to the kids" concept, and that's why it's there. The guys doing the movie designs, for WHATEVER reason, didn't want to go with CC's traditional look. That's not to say he might not EVENTUALLY get to that point, or something close! A lot of the story seems to take inspiration from the UK Action Force (there are Baron Ironblood/CC & Red Jackal/Destro parallels, for starters...), and they do want to sell this WORLDWIDE, which goes back to the whole "they want to make money" thing! Besides, Megatron is a TANK in the movie! ;)
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06-19-2009, 09:07 PM | #26 |
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...The core IS still there... Millitary Special Ops vs. high-tech terrorists! Besides, WHICH story? Therein lies the trouble! Accelerator suits show up in ONE scene as untested tech, and that's it! It's a "neato to the kids" concept, and that's why it's there. The guys doing the movie designs, for WHATEVER reason, didn't want to go with CC's traditional look. That's not to say he might not EVENTUALLY get to that point, or something close! A lot of the story seems to take inspiration from the UK Action Force (there are Baron Ironblood/CC & Red Jackal/Destro parallels, for starters...), and they do want to sell this WORLDWIDE, which goes back to the whole "they want to make money" thing! Besides, Megatron is a TANK in the movie! ;)
But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades: "Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe." Now please tell what part of the movie sounds anything like what he promised in this interview! |
06-19-2009, 11:34 PM | #27 |
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Here's an interview with Goldner CEO of Hasbro and movie producer from early "08:
But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades: "Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe." Now please tell what part of the movie sounds anything like what he promised in this interview! |
06-20-2009, 12:18 AM | #28 |
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Here's an interview with Goldner CEO of Hasbro and movie producer from early "08:
But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades: "Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe." Now please tell what part of the movie sounds anything like what he promised in this interview! While these may not be exact relationships from the comics, what the producers of the film are saying is that the movie will have character backstory and intertwined relationships (IE: Duke and Baroness) like the comic had with characters like SE and Cobra Commander. If you look at it from that perspective, then everything promised in this interview IS what we've seen and heard from the infinitely small amount of movie material released thus far |
06-20-2009, 12:32 AM | #29 |
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06-20-2009, 12:40 AM | #30 |
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why couldn't "Hollywood" keep the actual characters and story lines true to form? I mean cobra commander should be a guy in a blue suit with a metal mask or hood. Accelerator suits? that wasn't in any gi joe i remember so why add it? there are a million other things wrong with this movie (side note: making Soundwave a satellite not a boombox and Megatron a plane instead of a gun is the biggest blasphemy i can think of) Gi Joe & transformers were successful as they were why do they need to change everything that made it classic in the first place? Their answer would be we need to appeal to a mass audience to recoup all their money and make a profit. But why couldn't a movie that stayed true to the original story not sell? No one ever truly answers that question? I guess true to form the general public seems to truly enjoy crappy watered down mindless entertainment... the hills, jerry springer, the 1st transformers movie etc... so a crappy bland action movie called Gi Joe with everyone in black robot suits and a movie poster with the baronesses ass as the focal point is right up the general public's alley. Kids will probably like it but I think they are getting a lesser product line/movie than they deserve with the name Gi Joe attached. Oh well, I said my peace.
so long as transformers movie and gijoe movie makes tons of money your words mean nnnnnnnnnnnoooottttthhhhiiiinnngggg FYI megatron cant be a gun any more caus of the toy gun lawz --soundwave being a boom box doesnt make sense for a live action movie it makes better sense that he's a satellite !
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