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View Poll Results: G.I. Joe Black Series 6" Will You Be Purchasing The New Line | |||
Yes | 357 | 65.75% | |
No | 186 | 34.25% | |
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10-25-2014, 10:25 AM | #371 |
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I totally disagree. Collectors don't think that way. Most will have little interest in picking up secondary characters if they're not even sure if the core characters will even be released. This backwards strategy of holding back on the core characters failed bigtime with DC Infinite Heroes and it's thrown a big monkeywrench into 6" Star Wars.
Toy lines are always on shaky ground these days. There isn't time to mess around, hoping in the future that a line will last long enough to finally get to core characters. Releasing R2 without C-3PO, releasing a Slave Leia before Jabba, holding back Vader and the original Luke and Leia is just totally stupid, unnecessary and counterproductive. You don't hook people onto a new line by making it more boring than it can be. You produce all the characters they want the most right away and then they'll be so happy they will continue buying the next characters in line. Both the original Star Wars line and POTF2 started out with ANH Luke, Leia, Han, 3PO, R2, Obi, Chewie, Vader and Stormtrooper and had incredibly long, successful runs. The idea that waiting a year to release Vader and Chewie and longer for 3PO can do ANYTHING to HELP the line's sales is totally foolish and wrong. |
10-25-2014, 02:22 PM | #372 |
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I voted no, but if the 4" line is ending and the 6" is the future then yes.
I don't see any vehicles in a 6" line
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10-25-2014, 02:59 PM | #373 |
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Kinda like making a movie from end to beginning in case something unplanned/unpleasant happens to the cast. Although, I'm not entirely sure how that would apply or be helpful with a toy line series, just trying to think of some other "outside of the box" ideas but...yeah, I've got nothing.
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10-25-2014, 06:15 PM | #374 |
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Definitely not. I like the current size that they have been in since the 80s. I enjoy collecting the 25th/modern era figures very much and I will be extremely annoyed if they stop making them now just to make the same old characters again but in a bigger size. They wont get my money. I would love to see them continue the current line with classic figures we have not gotten yet like Ambush, Sneak peek, Frostbite, etc...
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10-25-2014, 09:13 PM | #375 |
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My "gut instinct" is that if there is talk of a 6" collector centric line for GI Joe...the brand doesn't have the retail or even cultural "pull" to maintain multiple collector offerings. The thought process I'm seeing is: take away ME from mass retail, there are SOME Joe collectors who might gravitate to the 6" line, especially if it is collector centric and if the "low end" doesn't make any real attempt to cater to the existing ME collector (which I'm not holding my breath on). Again, we might still be getting 3.75/4" figures, but I STRONGLY suspect that if we do, they WON'T be ME styled and feature less articulation and more molded on gear elements. And that's assuming Hasbro doesn't opt to push a 2.5" product line as they've started doing in Marvel with Guardians of the Galaxy and AVengers: Age of Ultron. Quote:
I also wonder if Hasbro sees a concern with the availability of 3d printing in the next 5-10 years. As someone stated before, if/when that becomes available, I'm sure alot of people will be doing their own tooling.
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I'm not saying what Hasbro did with Black was perfect, but I think it IS a situation where there IS NO perfect way to do this. If the line flops in the first year, pretty much everyone is screwed. And like 25th, there are a LOT of "essential year" figures that are probably pretty low on the priority list for such a line to begin with and probably won't be made regardless (much as there are probably a few SW characters Hasbro likely won't ever get to).
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10-26-2014, 12:23 AM | #376 |
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Would love a 6" line! Have to admit i would only buy a few figures though.
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10-26-2014, 11:06 AM | #377 |
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I totally disagree. Collectors don't think that way. Most will have little interest in picking up secondary characters if they're not even sure if the core characters will even be released. This backwards strategy of holding back on the core characters failed bigtime with DC Infinite Heroes and it's thrown a big monkeywrench into 6" Star Wars.
Toy lines are always on shaky ground these days. There isn't time to mess around, hoping in the future that a line will last long enough to finally get to core characters. Releasing R2 without C-3PO, releasing a Slave Leia before Jabba, holding back Vader and the original Luke and Leia is just totally stupid, unnecessary and counterproductive. You don't hook people onto a new line by making it more boring than it can be. You produce all the characters they want the most right away and then they'll be so happy they will continue buying the next characters in line. Both the original Star Wars line and POTF2 started out with ANH Luke, Leia, Han, 3PO, R2, Obi, Chewie, Vader and Stormtrooper and had incredibly long, successful runs. The idea that waiting a year to release Vader and Chewie and longer for 3PO can do ANYTHING to HELP the line's sales is totally foolish and wrong. Darth Maul didn't hang around and he is a minor prequel character. Prequel Obi-Won is a core character and isn't doing quite well. And if you want to claim prequel figures aren't in as much demand as original trilogy characters, well original trilogy Han Solo is selling even worse than Obi-Won. Where is the correlation between "core" character and fan demand, or prequel and original trilogy if you want to further narrow it that way? Princess Leia in slave outfit is one of the most adult collector hard on designs in the Star Wars universe, and she is a core character, and she is selling as bad as Greedo, a secondary character but extremely iconic and important character in the original trilogy just for what he is a part of. And Greedo sold worse than the minor prequel character Maul. And X Wing Pilot Luke is pretty easy to find as well. Collector demand is all over the place with the black line but certainly doesn't correlate to your claims. Collectors buy what they like at the moment and don't wait to find out what will be released later before starting to buy the figures they want. Last edited by backhawkdown; 10-26-2014 at 11:11 AM.. |
10-26-2014, 11:29 AM | #378 |
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A lack of vehicles would be more to GI Joe just not being a strong brand right now. If Hasbro wanted vehicles for a 6" line then there are several smaller Joe and Cobra vehicles they could pull off like the RAM cycle or Cobra Trouble Bobble. If GI Joe ever got to being a flag ship brand again then vehicles would follow either from Hasbro or a third party company looking to cash in on the void. |
10-26-2014, 11:52 AM | #379 |
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I don't think there is any evidence from the 6" black series to support this. Look at the characters who have been made and who are the lowest sellers.
Darth Maul didn't hang around and he is a minor prequel character. Prequel Obi-Won is a core character and isn't doing quite well. And if you want to claim prequel figures aren't in as much demand as original trilogy characters, well original trilogy Han Solo is selling even worse than Obi-Won. Where is the correlation between "core" character and fan demand, or prequel and original trilogy if you want to further narrow it that way? Princess Leia in slave outfit is one of the most adult collector hard on designs in the Star Wars universe, and she is a core character, and she is selling as bad as Greedo, a secondary character but extremely iconic and important character in the original trilogy just for what he is a part of. And Greedo sold worse than the minor prequel character Maul. And X Wing Pilot Luke is pretty easy to find as well. Collector demand is all over the place with the black line but certainly doesn't correlate to your claims. Collectors buy what they like at the moment and don't wait to find out what will be released later before starting to buy the figures they want. The initial novelty of 6" line probably changes that, not yet having experienced the character burn out of the 4" line, and fans very well could buy up each and every "core character" just to build that collection. Or, they could decide they'll take Snake Eyes and Stormy, but pass on Duke and CC. Or vice versa. A lot comes down to the quality/design of the toys themselves. Eventually though, sooner than later, the collectors will get sick of multiple versions of the same character just as they have with the 4" guys. If Hasbro were to do this, I suspect their best bet would be to design an "iconic version" of each major character and that's it. One version of Duke, one version of CC (with 2 heads) one version of SE (with 2 heads, 2 web gears), etc. That's if longevity is what Hasbro's after and they want fans to continue buying the line for more than a year and want to give fans a version of as many characters as possible. This would be the best thing for fans. However, research may dictate that a line like this will be short-lived by nature and Hasbro could fall into the belief they'll make more short-term bucks by forcing fans into buying multiple versions of the same character. Variants could pop up too. Want both a Commando and Ninja Snake Eyes? You'll have to buy two figures. Want a hooded and a helmeted CC? Two purchases. Yada, yada, yada. All I know is, coming out of the gate with a new line, I wouldn't want the job of picking character assortments for this lot. There are no clear-cut choices, nothing like a clear path to sales success. I suppose the best one can do is produce a mix of obvious fan favs, whether they're "core" or not and hope it's good enough to hook the fans for a wave 2. SE, Stormy, Firefly, Baroness, Duke and CC...that would probably be my wave 1 assortment. Last edited by SmokeBellew; 10-26-2014 at 12:16 PM.. |
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10-26-2014, 01:31 PM | #380 |
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I think vehicles for a 6" line is more of an unlikely than an impossible. The original 12" GI Joe line had vehicles. Adventure Team had vehicles. So scale alone would not be enough to knock off the chance of vehicles.
A lack of vehicles would be more to GI Joe just not being a strong brand right now. If Hasbro wanted vehicles for a 6" line then there are several smaller Joe and Cobra vehicles they could pull off like the RAM cycle or Cobra Trouble Bobble. If GI Joe ever got to being a flag ship brand again then vehicles would follow either from Hasbro or a third party company looking to cash in on the void. How many colors of modern SkyHawks do we have available?
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