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03-28-2009, 02:09 PM | #231 |
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Poor Paramount.....are we hurting your feelings? The people who made this brand what it is and the reason your making a film (Face it if they never sold we wouldnt have this website today) speaking their minds.......the more you take from us the more we rag on it......Why not go after the guys pumping your movie toys on Ebay?
FYI Paramount Il be watching your Film on my Flat Screen in my home with the Bootlegged DVD I will get 2 days after your movie is released......gotta love friends. Now mind you this it isnt the crappy BL DVDs where you see people getting up.....no this is Regulargood ol DVD......... I didnt pay to see Transformers either ....the same friend got me the DVD 2 days before it opened....now after I saw it and liked it I paid to see it on the big screen. I dont think that will happen with this one........ XOXO Last edited by spacemonkeymafia; 03-28-2009 at 02:13 PM.. |
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03-28-2009, 04:08 PM | #232 |
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I really cannot believe that there is so much hatred, anger and negativity towards a film and a toy line that has not been relased yet, it is shocking to see it from some who call themselves"fans" I understand that this is a movie based on a line that was part of your childhood, hell it was my childhood too, but its like anything they make into a film, it must be modernized and updated, we very well cant have stormshadow and snake eyes vietnam vets, they would be 50 th 70 years old, who wants to see that???
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03-28-2009, 04:14 PM | #233 |
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Yeah, because Snake-Eyes "hyperconnectivity" is so much better than Duke Hyperconnectivity.
Joe's been "hyperconnected" for about 23 years now. Life4Dreadnok: Here's the huge, gaping flaw in comparing Larry Hama to Stan Lee - Larry Hama does not, and has never owned the rights to any of his G.I. Joe creations. He doesn't get royalties every time a Snake-Eyes figure is sold, for example. I doubt he's getting a percentage cut of the film's grosses, either. These characters may be "his" creations in many ways, but he was creating them for someone else to own from the get-go. It's entirely possible that accounts for some of his ability to detach himself from the brand. But it also means that he really doesn't have that much to lose by stating an honest opinion. Personally, I find the presumption that he's a liar and a sell-out if he says he likes the movie more telling about the people accusing him of it than of Hama himself. And you are right.. I can't say for certain Hama is lying. He just might have really, really, really bad taste when it comes to films. |
03-29-2009, 12:17 AM | #234 |
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Dear Paramount: Since you read these posts, Please cancel the Gi Joe Movie. Hire Larry Hama to write a real Gi Joe story and get Weta workshop to make it look like a Gi Joe Story. And get a real director who knows how to film military movies, let me see, oh ya, Michael Bay! This GI Joe movie is going to be worse than Van Helsing. What could have been a $ franchise, appears to be a summer flop.
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03-29-2009, 02:41 AM | #235 |
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ah, okay.....thread got killed. just like the CC figure. LAME!!!
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03-29-2009, 02:55 AM | #236 |
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I really cannot believe that there is so much hatred, anger and negativity towards a film and a toy line that has not been relased yet, it is shocking to see it from some who call themselves"fans" I understand that this is a movie based on a line that was part of your childhood, hell it was my childhood too, but its like anything they make into a film, it must be modernized and updated, we very well cant have stormshadow and snake eyes vietnam vets, they would be 50 th 70 years old, who wants to see that???
why REINVENT EVERYTHING? just because they can? when the cartoon aired, there wasn't a 4 part mini series explaining how duke used to fuck the baroness who was CC's sister and they were all best of friends and then things went wrong and CC teamed up with Destro, but he wasn't CC yet, and Stormy was Korean who just happened to train in a Japanese Ninja clan with SE who is a Frenchman. NO! when it started (and the comics for the most part) you were introduced to the joes....and they were dick deep in a fight with COBRA. i am sick of this hollywood trend of origin stories and unnecessary explanations of already established characters..... i feel like this is going to be the equivalent of the big screen version of "Lost In Space"......
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03-29-2009, 10:45 PM | #237 |
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I think the main gripe us fans have is that for a movie that calls itself 'GI Joe' ? There is precious little to connect it to the franchise we all know, love, and grew up with. I believe we the fans have a certain right to these characters, because frankly it's our money and passion that has kept this property alive for so long.
As for the movie? Sure we have code-names and a guy who dresses like Snake-Eyes, but what's left after that? Duke and Scarlet never wore black body armor, Cobra Commander never looked like that, why use Heavy Duty when Roadblock could've been used? Ripcord was white but why even use him when there are more popular Joes that could have been used? Destro's real face was seldom seen, etc. All these things may seem like fan-boy whining to some, but the fact is that a movie which was true to the memories we all have of these charcters could have been so easily made instead of what's coming out now. |
03-29-2009, 10:56 PM | #238 |
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I think the main gripe us fans have is that for a movie that calls itself 'GI Joe' ? There is precious little to connect it to the franchise we all know, love, and grew up with. I believe we the fans have a certain right to these characters, because frankly it's our money and passion that has kept this property alive for so long.
As for the movie? Sure we have code-names and a guy who dresses like Snake-Eyes, but what's left after that? Duke and Scarlet never wore black body armor, Cobra Commander never looked like that, why use Heavy Duty when Roadblock could've been used? Ripcord was white but why even use him when there are more popular Joes that could have been used? Destro's real face was seldom seen, etc. All these things may seem like fan-boy whining to some, but the fact is that a movie which was true to the memories we all have of these charcters could have been so easily made instead of what's coming out now. Please someone give me one reason the Joes and Cobras we know and love couldnt work on screen? Tell my why Optimus Prime had to have lips.... Why did Spiderman have to have organic web shooters... Why did Hellboy look like Hellboy but these other movies have to be changed? Why? What about the Joes we love wouldnt work on the Big Screen? |
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03-30-2009, 07:23 AM | #239 |
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Its' not a matter of whether it "works" on screen or not. Technically Hollywood could have made everything spot-on accurate to the 80's Joes. But clearly they do not believe that such an approach would appeal to general audiences for one reason or another (as I've said before, most likely because G.I. Joe has lagged well behind other "nostalgia brands" in terms of popularity and sales over the last 10-15 years...I think only Masters of the Universe has done worse of the major 80's boys toy brands).
Of all the examples you list, the ones that were "changed" were highly successful (Transformers, Spider-Man), and the one that was "most accurate" (Hellboy) underperformed/was not a blockbuster hit. Hollywood goes with what they "know." Past history has shown them that making changes to these properties doesn't hurt the box office take and may (or may not) actually boost it. I think it's unrealistic to expect that Hollywood would break an established pattern for this specific film when it's worked for them on many others. Even many of the films that are considered "more accurate" to the source material still have considerable changes made to them. G.I. Joe seems to lean on the more extreme side of "changes being made" but in all truth I don't find it departing from the source material any more than Transformers did. Let's also not forget...most of the "pop culture" use of G.I. Joe these days is as a joke/punchline that calls back to how campy and cheesy the old cartoons were...particularly where Cobra Commander is concerned. Last edited by Jmacq1; 03-30-2009 at 07:32 AM.. |
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I think most people, my self included, want a movie that respects a history that took 25 years to make. If your going to change most of the history and keep the film in the "spirit" of the line, then it's not Gi Joe. If you change aspects of the Bible then its not the word of Christ. A little over dramatic but you get my point.
I'm all for change. It's what breaths new life into an old idea for the next generation. But do it in a way that doesn't alienate your core audience and educates the new audience on the history of the line while making it new and exiting. I believe RESOLUTE has bridged that gap very well from the teaser we have seen. Judging by recent polls, I'm not alone! It might be a fine movie once we all see it. Just, call it something other than Gi Joe. Many of the characters look considerably like their classic selves, certainly enough to be recognizable for who they're supposed to be. Cobra Commander does NOT fall into that group, of course, but it seems like all the focus is on what's being done "wrong" and no one's even bothering to look for anything they might have done "right." That, and many people seem to say "I'm all for change" but then nit-pick things as superficial as costume changes that aren't as drastic as Cobra Commander's and still leave the character recognizable (See: Complaints about Storm Shadow, Snake-Eyes, et al). I'm not saying you fall into that group, but it does seem to be a contradictory standard that some are conjuring: "I'm not afraid of change, as long as everything stays exactly the same as the 80's Joe." Or perhaps more accurately: "I'm not afraid of change, as long as all changes are approved by me personally." It's really just typical fan-base division...everyone has their own idea of what G.I. Joe "should" be and there is no unified "fan vision" for what they want. That's yet another reason why the fan-base isn't taken as seriously when major media tie-ins start coming together. We can't even decide what we want amongst ourselves. Last edited by Jmacq1; 03-30-2009 at 07:34 AM.. |
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