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05-07-2013, 08:16 PM | #71 |
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interesting...
So in your legal opinion: Even if the plantiffs are right, and some of their ideas where used. What $$$ in damages can be proven? They presented unsolicited materials about licensed Hasbro products. How do you put a price tag on that.....What would someone else pay for it on the open market? I cant wait to see some briefing on this, and possibly some docs from Paramount. All I want in this is cool stuff to read and look at. I'd really like to get some of the concept art that the used in the pitch. I going to see what I can dig up in court filings.
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05-07-2013, 08:40 PM | #72 |
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There are facts and opinions. Regardless of opinions, it is factual that there are GLARING similarities between the script batted about, and the actual screenplay for Retaliation. This means - in my mind - Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick are frauds. The ideas conceived by Elliot and Lovett are far more cogent, concise, and form the treatment of a direct sequel. It looks like what they wanted to do was make a more dramatic sequel, and throw everything at the audience in a third film.
When they wrote how Zartan would emerge as the greater player over Cobra Commander and Destro; and use Cobra/MARS to privatize government duties, it makes great sense. The use of The Baroness was also a better option than what we got in the screenplay. So...Reese and Wernick are actually stealing from Elliot and Lovett, and using their Baroness ideas for the second sequel. Then, not only did these screenwriters lie about coming up with their own draft, they DO hint at a romance between Snake Eyes and Jinx; AND THEY DO HINT AT MAJOR BLUDD in the beginning, as if they were throwing a cheap shot at Elliot and Lovett. What I do know is this: the screenplay was indeed written around 2004. The Toy Fare Magazine article mentions of the conflict between Duke and Rex. Lorenzo Di Bonaventuro even stated such, that he wanted Cobra Commander to look different, and the entire Cobra force to look more rugged and futuristic/cinematic. The Elliot and Lovett treatment makes logical sense, while the Reese and Wernick screenplay actually slaughters the logic of the treatment. But I think a sad reality is that "original ideas" are terribly few and far between, just check up on some of the controversy concerning "The Island" and the low budget, all but forgotten film "Parts: The Clonus Horror" which claimed the Island stole from the film (ignoring that the film also borrowed from a 1996 book "Spares", of which I think had just as much grounds to sue Dreamworks considering Dreamworks had actually optioned the book). Similarly, James Cameron had to add the "Acknowledgment to the Works of Harlan Ellison" at the end of Terminator due to alleged copyright infringement (even though Cameron claims never to have read said material). Those precedents lead me to believe that the entire situation will be settled out of court for some cash and maybe a new credit card in the Retaliation film.
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05-07-2013, 09:44 PM | #73 |
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Go to a site called "tvtropes.org"... It is a complete list of EVERY plotline/story idea/story element that has been used for, literally, hundreds of years. Mad Scientists, bikinied babes in jungles and other planets, mysterious materials, planet smashing superweapons, gods/telekinetic aliens/whatever and countless more are there, along with a detailed list of which movie/TV show/novel/comic book/video game etc. it was used in.
As for the charge of "Plagarizing"... consider this fact: The writers were writing about characters from GI Joe, which has been made in both comic book/cartoon/video games... And there have been countless writers writing about the characters because of it. UNLESS they were making a drastic change, for example, making Cobra Commander Destros' father/son or making Cover Girl and the Baroness sisters, everything they wrote could ALSO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANY OF THE MANY WRITERS THAT CAME BEFORE THEM! |
05-07-2013, 11:55 PM | #74 |
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Go to a site called "tvtropes.org"... It is a complete list of EVERY plotline/story idea/story element that has been used for, literally, hundreds of years. Mad Scientists, bikinied babes in jungles and other planets, mysterious materials, planet smashing superweapons, gods/telekinetic aliens/whatever and countless more are there, along with a detailed list of which movie/TV show/novel/comic book/video game etc. it was used in.
As for the charge of "Plagarizing"... consider this fact: The writers were writing about characters from GI Joe, which has been made in both comic book/cartoon/video games... And there have been countless writers writing about the characters because of it. UNLESS they were making a drastic change, for example, making Cobra Commander Destros' father/son or making Cover Girl and the Baroness sisters, everything they wrote could ALSO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANY OF THE MANY WRITERS THAT CAME BEFORE THEM!
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05-08-2013, 12:11 AM | #75 |
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It sounds ridiculous to me
what happened in Retaliation? Storm Shadow switched sides. Zartan disguised as someone. Cobra has a super weapon the Joes have to disarm. Seriously? They're saying they came up with all that and they want 23 million for it? |
05-08-2013, 08:26 AM | #76 |
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Also, the same thing happened in the movie "The Truman Show" about a man whose entire life is being broadcast on TV and he doesn't know it. TWO different writers came forward and claimed that they had come up with that idea first and it had been stolen from them! Each sued and the court cases came down to proving the studio "Might" have seen their script and used it... But then the same storyline idea was used in an episode of the remake Twilight Zone TV series which aired years before ANY of these were written. |
05-08-2013, 09:02 AM | #77 |
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There is a lot more to this story than meets the eye (to steal from another franchise).
On the plaintiff's side: Their plot points seem to indicate that they originated at the very least the basic outline for Retaliation. Now, it is easy to say this once the movie has come out so we are assuming that they can back up their statements. Some of the plot doesn't make sense - the Baroness sort of disappears in their draft which makes me wonder if there is a lot more to their plot than they shared because it hurt their case. But as is, they certainly had some of the ideas in the movie. On the Defendant's side: Who knows what transpired - but we will learn more as the case proceeds. They may have shared dozens of ideas in desperation to get something to stick. In a way, they are shooting themselves somewhat in the foot by admitting that they first movie was not really based on their script - it sort of indicates that they were such poor writers that Paramount couldn't use anything they put forth. It almost sounds like they want their names taken off the poorly received movie and on Retaliation - which makes little sense considering it was just as poorly received by reviewers. We also don't know the contract given or what pay they may have received. If they were paid for pitching some ideas for the sequel or if it was part of their RoC contract, the may be compensated little. Lastly, there is a big difference between having a notion and writing a screenplay. It seems that these guys had some notions but few direct lines were used - the Zartan line seems to be the only one that they draw attention to. But in some ways, Larry Hama could argue that it was also based on his notions - GI Joe was a Renegade unit for a time in the comics. It has been as well in IDW. There was even a whole cartoon about being renegades! And I'm certain Paramount will state this in court - if it goes that far.
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