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10-20-2008, 09:57 PM | #171 |
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I bet those <$100 2 1/2 foot long airplane companies weren't as fat with management as Hasbro.
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10-20-2008, 10:55 PM | #172 |
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not fair? how does running a multi-million dollar brand have anything to do with fairness? don't like the way you're being treated by Hasbro? boycott their products and don't buy anything. but as long as you do, you deserve however they treat you, thus it is fair.
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10-20-2008, 11:06 PM | #173 |
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i don't think it's that bad. joe vs cobra, vvv, and spytroops all had great virtues. it didn't scream nostalgia like the current line, but i think there will be some cool stuff coming outta the movie line. i'll pick up a couple of these, i wonder what cobra has to counter this joe vehicle?
i think it's funny that people deny that a sci fi factor destroyed the original line. i faintly remember lazers, walking battle snakes, the claw (which is now real), pac rats, the fang, the HISS, and that's just a few from the 1st two series, jeesh. people apparently have no problem with the sci fi factor when it comes to transformers and star wars, only gi-joe. i feel that joe always had its foot in that realm, from the beginning. when real life is often full of media images of real war and real-life death, sometimes a little sci fi is merited. i read this entire thread and no one commented on the oddity of the background. why is this "prototype" presented on a ripped and stained cardboard background. seems kinda shady . |
10-20-2008, 11:11 PM | #174 |
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It's alright, but I would take a Polar Battle Bear over that...
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10-20-2008, 11:31 PM | #175 |
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i'll pick up a couple of these, i wonder what cobra has to counter this joe vehicle?
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i think it's funny that people deny that a sci fi factor destroyed the original line.
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10-20-2008, 11:46 PM | #176 |
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It is funny. What killed the RAH line in my opinion was a loss of originality, the minute Hasbro turned to incorporating the Ninja Turtle's influence as well as neon colors, water guns(Eco Force gimmicks influenced by the Super Soaker/waterguns trend) and spring loaded action gimmicks influenced by comic derived figures of the time, is when the downfall began. You lost the originality, and utilizing those kinds of gimmicks resulted in a loss of articulation. Consistent articulation was a big differentiator between RAH joes pre-1992 and similar scaled figures before RAH. The 1995 Battle Rangers theme came way too late, most fans here don't even know about it, hell I didn't even know about it until a few years ago when I browsed online and read about it. The Battle Rangers theme was brought back the militaristic feel of the old RAH, but by that time, it was too late to save the line. Hell Hasbro was even planning to reissue the Whale during that year.
let's not forget, by the 90's, the kids that propelled RAH's success in the 80's were growing out of toys and moving to other things, and the brand wasn't maintaining sales with the newer, younger kids who were more interested in ninja turtles and other toylines of the era. Hasbro had no other choice, as sales declined, to incorporate features found in more popular toys of the day, in an effort to capture the attention of kids interested in those features. that's the mistake we make in looking backwards. we expect the line to have stayed the same while everything around it changed, including ourselves and the other consumers. the success of RAH in the 80's was more than likely fueled by 7-10 year old boys. by the time the 90's rolled around, we weren't 7-10 anymore, we were in our teens and not driving the sales of Joe anymore, and neither were 7-10 year olds in the 90's, because they were playing with other brands that were more interesting to them. just as RAH captured our attention in the early 80's, other brands captured theirs. that isn't an indictment of RAH, that is just the natural course of any product line. the consumers changed. every generation of kids has their own brands that is part of their youth, and G.I. Joe was an old brand. kids in the 90's wanted something new, and G.I. Joe wouldn't have been anymore succesful in the 90's sticking to it's roots. if the sales were there for the figures in 1990 or 91, which were still very similar to the mid 80's, there would have been no reason to change course. those added elements were in direct response to decline and interest in sales, not the cause of them. |
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10-20-2008, 11:56 PM | #177 |
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that isn't an indictment of RAH, that is just the natural course of any product line. the consumers changed.
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those added elements were in direct response to decline and interest in sales, not the cause of them.
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10-20-2008, 11:57 PM | #178 |
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When will hasbro learn that fans and children alike prefer good looking toys and not bubbly-action-feature bull?
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10-20-2008, 11:57 PM | #179 |
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well put slinga. by 90 i was hunting for girls and joe and we went our separate ways until 2001, been back since. i want to give any new line a chance before writing it off. i think this "rock" vech is just the tip of the ice berg , pardon the pun, that we might see of something big and great in the future.
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10-20-2008, 11:59 PM | #180 |
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You know, the more i look at this vehicle, i want to get a couple of them. I think it is just taking a while seeing something so new that is not being remade from when i was younger. I was the same way during the VvV and Spytroop era. I wasn't crazy about those vehicles either, but they grew on me...
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