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To be honest and blunt, The Movie will take the best of G.I. Joe from both the TV series and Comics and make it work on Film. So it really does not matter what was better because its all going to be changed.
All I'm saying is don't flush the elements of Joe that did work--just because it was the toon or just because it was the comic. It's more complex an issue than just comic vs. toon. I obviously prefer the comic over the toon, but good gawd there's a ton of great stuff from Sunbow there that you can cannibalize to make the movie that much better. Flint for example. To sum up: Don't throw the "babies" out with the bathwater. ;) -PJ |
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fine, you want to criticize me and talk about poorly formed opinion, than I say you have absolutely no sense of what makes good dialogue, so your own poorly formed opinion isn't worth wiping my tush with. see how easy and unconstructive saying people's opinions are poorly formed is.
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why don't you define the factors of how to form a brilliant opinion, since you seem to be such an expert on it
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you need to back off your tone.
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and you want to also claim Hama did something no one had ever done before, than I dare you to actually define what was so unique that he did.
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getting more writing gigs in no way makes him brilliant. Uwe Bol has made several movies, but just because people keep hiring him doesn't mean his films are quality. get it.
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and I don't care what other comic writers think. I think his dialogue stinks -- as does most comic dialogue. I'm not a comic guy because IMO comic's have cheap exposition and poor dialogue.
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it is a completely different medium than film, and requires different skills -- skills that Ham a does not posses. so he has no business anywhere near a Joe movie.
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and the cartoon aired well into 1994, regardless of how many new episodes were made
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if you want to mention things, make sure your positions are factual.
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god, I hate specious arguments.
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by your logic, you probably think curry cures Alzheimers because India has the lowest reported number of Alzheimer cases in the world. of course, you haveto ignore the fcat that the life expectancy in India is only 64 years, and Alzheimers doesn't occur until after 65. you see, there ar eplenty of other factors that go into results.
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even so, the length of how long the cartoon ran in no way means the comic was brilliant.
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the comic could have been (and was very likely) succesful because it complimented a very succesful toyline.
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but tell me, if the comic was so succesful on its own merits, why didn't it last beyond the end of the toyline? it didn't
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of course, that would require you to actually dig deep into numerous factors andnot just make surface arguments.
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I prefer the cartoon.
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#54 |
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I don't know what's the matter with the American lead Global G.I. Joe Idea.
It's the situation we have right now. Free World against Terrorist scum and works well in countries like Afghanistan. So every country which stands up and sends out soldiers to fight against the enemies of democracy deserves at least a small place in the team of G.I. Joe. In the movie they should recruit the Joes from the best of the best of each countries Special Forces. My first encounter with G.I. Joe / Action Force was on our family vacation to Italy in 1987 where i bought my first Joe, Beachhead. I didn't got in touch with any kind of military stuff before, but at this moment it was clear that I want to join the military after im old enough. So I joined the German Bundeswehr for some time, 15 years later, not in the Beachhead branch but in the Law&Order Crew (I still hope that Uwe Boll makes it on the terrorist list so that we can rid of him^^). So what's up with all the Kids worldwide who wants to join the military (and there will be many) after they saw the movie? Especially if it's an American's only Special Force. Fill out millions of green cards? Last edited by BEACHHEAD; 11-03-2007 at 06:40 AM.. |
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I make my living as a writer and editor. Based on what I see in this quote, I'm not surprised you have no appreciation for good writing when you see it. I could have all kinds of opinions on international football (soccer), but they wouldn't have much value, as I possess little knowledge on the subject.
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Dare me? That's not very challenging. He created a story based on a toy line and ran with it for 155 issues. No one has ever duplicated that, not without backstory and history for the characters, and he created all of it. Hell, plenty of titles with years of story and character development fail well before they ever see 155 issues. The cartoons of which you were so fond were mindless drivel, dumbed down interpretations of the stories Hama was delivering month after month, intended for an easily entertained audience. I spent a lot of my childhood curious as to exactly who would actually enjoy them.
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Larry Hama is also an accomplished editor, and he's done a considerable amount of commercial work you wouldn't know to associate with him. Empty criticism and silly analogies add no strength to what you've been saying.
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Right, says the guy who looks to the G.I. Joe "movie" as example of quality dialogue.
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Repeats in syndication are hardly a sign of success. :rolleyes:
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What I said was factual. The "movie" never saw its intended theatrical release, just as I stated in my post.
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Well, while Alzheimer's disease is far more common in those over the age of 65, the idea that it "doesn't occur until after 65" is inherently false. Not only are you incorrect, but this is totally irrelevant to any discussion on this site. You are making no effort to focus. In fact, you're babbling.
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It actually lasted well beyond the toy line's height of popularity, so you're really not bringing anything to the table here.
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Surface arguments? You mean like, "all comics are soap operas with bad dialogue"? Please.
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And some people prefer boy bands to Rachmaninoff.
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Man am I glad I stayed out of this thread.
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Jimminy Christmas, what the heck is going on in here?
I'm not as eloquint as our two orators here, but screw it, the comic rocked and the cartoon sucked. On the other hand, I'll be darned if I didn't love both the same! |
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C'mon Gun, I think you up and leaped off the wagon at. . .
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many comics have lasted well beyond 155 issues
Conversely, the Sunbow series had loads of writer(s), all of varying quality/popularity. It's down to hard numbers now. You got your foot on the gas at this point and you're just grinding metal, ease off there Ripley. ![]() When the movie attempts to both refresh and restore the Joes to a cinematic version, a very small percentage of each individual toon writer's contribution might have a chance of making it to the silver screen. But Larry's work will receive the lion's share of credit. It's more easily accessable, and it's in storyboard format. Futhermore, they won't have to skip past/groan through "Bazooka saw a Sea Serpent" in order to get to the better Sunbow elements, some of which are mere snippet-moments within one half-hour show. Who's got the time to flip through all of that? - A two-story orphanage w/Sailor flashbacks won't make it into the movie, which means another "no" to the clever dialogue attached to it. - A helicopter made of solid gold won't make it into the movie, which means another "no" to the clever dialogue attached to it. - Break-dancing Snake-Eyes, and dancing wolf won't make it into the movie, which means another "no" to the clever dialogue attached to it. - Fatal Fluffies and the clever dialogue attached to that! Gah, losing my mind! I don't need to go any further! BTW, do super corny jokes count as clever dialogue? Because I guaran-damn-tee at no time in the movie will you hear, "Argh! Now I know how (insert well-known food) feels." But regardless of all of the above ^^^ here, we simply had you at fudgies. :cool: And scene-for-scene; Joe-for-Joe, the comic elements will far outweigh what each fly-by-night indie writer threw into the fusillade of random craziness that was the toon. -PJ |
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yes, it is clear you believe you're an expert in this matter, but your ignorance to my background and the conclusion you jump to about it because of your own ignorance of the matter only exemplifies how poor your argument continues to be.
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Im positive Flint and Duke will both be in the movie. I hope they dont F#ck up the dialogue too bad. That can destroy anything regardless of effects and actors.
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