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04-18-2008, 07:02 PM | #131 |
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the producers of the movie, the owner of the franchise, HASBRO said the movie was based on the comic, the original 152 issue run.
the cartoon was based on the comics and differred since they only had a few issues to look at when they started. the last two comics runs came right off of the original continuity. THAT makes the comics, in my opinion, the CANON of the GI Joe story. they have changed much. not little changes, big moby dick changes. and i think we, the fans who've kept it going, are the ones who are going to take said dick, if you know what i mean. they changed it to tell a "better" story. in whose opinion? the new fans are open to anything. why not please the old fans, get their money two or three times, AND the new people? i'm afraid they're going to miss the old guys. the script obviously isn't based on the comic, but that doesn't mean that the story being told isn't good. and just because they are making it different doesn't inherently mean they think it is better, it is simply the story they want to tell, and that is their preference, not opinion, and they are the one's making it so they are the one's who get to make those decisions. I'm obviously the oddity around here. I love my Joe, like you, but my interest of it isn't dedicated to it's past. I don't look at what is coming out and compare it to what has come before. the 25th Anniversary Joes are great because they are great in and of themselves, not because they are better than the new sculpt line or the original, and the movie doesn't seem cool because I think it is better, it seems cool because it is good in it's own right - no comparison necessary to anything that came in the 80's. |
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04-18-2008, 07:09 PM | #132 |
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they can tell a new story based on the old characters just as good. i threw the word 'better' in there because a movie mark was pissed and used it on here a few days ago.
i think they've changed too much for me to get over personally. if i feel that way, i'm betting others do too. i'm probably just gonna sit this one out, along with the other 3 members of the Fam, and let the kid drift away to the freaking power rangers. i could care less what they do. |
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04-20-2008, 01:58 AM | #133 |
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The new gijoe movie is a different continuity from the comics and cartoons. The Transformers movie, as much as it was influenced by G1(which is way more than people think), was a different continuity from the comics and cartoons too. This movie is influenced by RAH just as the Transformers movie was influenced by G1, but it won't be a direct adaptation, and neither was the Transformers movie.
Besides some of you don't realize what you are asking for. The Marvel run towards the mid 90's became "GiJoe starring Snake Eyes". I kid you not, its on the covers. Most of you do not want the movie to make Snake eyes too important, too heavily relied on. Nor do you want an abrupt ending that has too many unresolved issues. Quote:
the cartoon was based on the comics and differred since they only had a few issues to look at when they started.
Yet people accept the cartoon, but cannot accept the upcoming movie? The cartoon continuity, while possibly initially inspired by the comic, is different than the comic continuity. The cartoon had Spirit being able to take on Storm Shadow. Cobra La. In my opinion, the cartoon had much worse going on than the upcoming movie. Quote:
i think they've changed too much for me to get over personally.
The movie is a new continuity derived from old continuities. Its not a direct adaptation, nor is it meant to be. |
04-20-2008, 02:19 AM | #134 |
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Yeah. But like with Transformers, a lot of die-hard fans have been imagining a direct translation to live action film since the nineties and even the eighties.
Hollywood is like a pitcher of icewater to the crotch for us.
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04-20-2008, 04:38 AM | #135 |
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They can't please everyone.
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First, great points all. Second; this movie was indeed supposed to be based on the comics, though it has clearly moved away from the source material.
And the movie has disenfranchised itself from hardcore fans. And, arguably, changed the core concept of an American team of special ops against a terrorist organization. CHANGED. Snake Eyes is a mute ninja commando (CHANGED) who is in love with Scarlett (going with this as it's in the toys and comics, so 2/3, CHANGED), who is the girl next door type (CHANGED). The commanders are the American Hawk (CHANGED) and the grizzled veteran Duke (CHANGED). The team primarily fights a group of terrorists called Cobra (CHANGED, as of this movie), led by Cobra Commander (CHANGED till the end at least). That is why some people are having a hard time with this movie, and their points are equally valid as are those who encourage the film. I will be rooting for GI Joe, and thus going to this movie despite what I read. I will be buyingthe toys that I like, despite their little resemblance to what I grew up with. This is indeed a retelling, but you think Hollywood would have learned, re-tellings don't usually go over well. |
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04-20-2008, 10:44 AM | #137 |
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Batman Begins - retelling - major hit Transformer - retelling - major hit X-Men - retelling - major hit EDIT: Spiderman - retelling - major hit sure, there are equal amounts of other retellings that sucked and were not, the point is that it isn't the retelling that is the problem, it is the quality of the retelling, so it isn't accurate to just blanket retellings as being failures when it isn't the case. Last edited by gunslingercbr; 04-20-2008 at 11:04 AM.. |
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04-20-2008, 11:39 AM | #138 |
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If you look at most comic based movies, nearly all of them differ from the source material. Ninja turtles, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, X-Men, all of the ones in recent history were not strict adaptations of the comics they were based on. Even 300, as close as someone wants to say that was, was different from the comic. The closest comic based movie to come off as an adaptation is Sin City, and thats about it. We can argue that Spiderman was so close, but it was different. I see Gi Joe being no different.
Rule of thumb with comic based movies, is that they will differ. For example, I love Batman Begins, but was it 100% accurate to the comic? No. Nonetheless it was still a good movie. The main thing I worry about in this movie is whether the director can pull it off or not. |
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Snake Eyes better not be French. I can't stand those cheese-eating surrender monkeys!
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But you gotta admit, if you could have a cheese-eating surrender monkey for a pet... you TOTALLY WOULD!
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