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03-06-2008, 01:07 AM | #1 |
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if you have a franchise that has lasted for over 25 years, meaning the 'real american hero', why would you change that?
it makes no sense. if it worked then, and it's still selling now, WHAT sense does it make to change? |
03-06-2008, 01:13 AM | #2 |
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I feel ya brother. This change was inevitable once hollywood got its hands on it. Filthy money grubbing hands. They need it to appeal to a international market so this is the result. Embrace the change or not, they are still YOUR joes.
hail cobra.
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03-06-2008, 01:16 AM | #3 |
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It's all about money. Certain things need to happen in order for it to be a comercial success. As much as I hate to say it, they have more to think about than us fans. Personally I'm excited for the movie and I think most of us will be pleased.
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03-06-2008, 01:51 AM | #4 |
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i disagree with some of what you guys are saying.
1.) changing things does not guarantee success. many movies change things, someone on here posted some examples, and the were not successful. that 'dukes of hazzard' with stiffler made a bunch of bucks didn't it? they changed it to get a NEW audience. 2.) they DO care about the fans, the guys who followed the franchise, because they called it GI Joe. they could have made any movie about spys and wars, etc. they didn't. they made GI Joe because they wanted to identify with us. they wanted us to come back. Hasbro noticed that they were still making money, more money with RAH than with S6. SO, make "a real american hero." 3.) there will be enough press that the movie will make money no matter what the non-fans say. changing things doesn't make good sense to me. you have a franchise that is making money with very little hype. logic says with a movie to back it up, and an ongoing comic that is similar, that the old fans will come out and that new fans will be made, if by noone else but our kids. 4.) the fans will recognize their Joes. the same way X-men fans recognized Wolverine. Most were happy and it worked. if we don't recognize these, it could backlash. |
03-06-2008, 02:02 AM | #5 |
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Oh man, start stockpiling some valium! You'll need it in the theater
Think of it this way: Even back in the day, there were already differences between the continuity proposed by the toon, comic and filecards. And there's been different continuities within each format as well. Take the toon as an example. Many would argue that the DIC series shouldn't even be considered "canon"! Some also discard the 86 movie. Then, in the 90s, ya had G.I.Joe Extreme. In the 2000's you had Sigma 6. In the comics, you had Reloaded (which was actually quite interesting). So why should this film be any different? As in: why can it not start its own continuity? After all... what continuity is it to follow when you've had so many different incarnations in the past? And as much as some want Scarlett+Snake Eyes, others probably want Scarlett+Duke In the end, all you're left with is the "essentials": G.I.Joe V.S. Cobra
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03-06-2008, 02:24 AM | #6 |
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great point gentleman, but it feeds what i've been saying, and what viper was saying...
SnakeEyes and Scarlett are in EVERYTHING but the cheesy tv show...the one from the first 2 years. you're right about the different continuities... Devil's Due did the follow up to Image, who followed the Marvel continuity. it's STILL running, which to ME, in my opinion, makes it CANON. they ALSO did Reloaded, as you pointed out, which was TOTALLY different...but kept certain things...Snake Eyes / Scarlett, RAH, GI Joe vs. Cobra, etc. the SAME stuff that the other continuities followed. go to the DDP GI Joe vs. Transformers...different continuity, which makes 3 different comic continuities, that ALL have the above mentioned constants. you change that at your peril. think about it politically...john mccain has won the republican nomination for president. he wants to get his base out... he gives a speech stating the following... ---support the war---all the republicans cheer ---no new taxes---all the republicans cheer ---secure the border---ditto ---conservative judges---ditto ---same sex marriages LEGAL---????? you start hearing crickets chirping. his base of the 30% of the population that votes republican anyway is split...only 70% come out for him, that gives him 21% of the vote...pretend he gets 70% of the independents ( 40% of voters ) and that gives him 28% of the voting population...now he has 49% of the vote, and he LOSES. had he gotten 90% of his base ( 27% of the voters ) and just 60% of the middle ( 24% of voters ) that is 51% and he wins...( you can do the same with Barrack O'Clinton just change the view points on the issues )... the winners get out THEIR peeps. some of those people in the middle are in the middle for lack of committment. SAME AS THE MOVIE PUBLIC... some of those they are trying to reach, will NOT see this movie no matter what they do. they had better get the base first, and then take what they can get of the other. |
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03-06-2008, 02:35 AM | #7 |
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but what has really lasted 25 years?
the brand name? sure. the concept? absolutely. but nothing else about it has permeated into Americana the way the story of Batman, Spiderman or X-Men has. the specific aspects of the story that have been changed from 25 years ago has only maintained a small niche following comparitively, and not enough to warrant it as the absolute brand elements or characterizations that the concept of Joe vs Cobra can be told from. |
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03-06-2008, 02:59 AM | #8 |
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you can EASILY say that things like "real american hero" and snake eyes / scarlett are as well known as aspect of superman, spiderman, batman, etc. i'd put those things up against the romances in those stories, aside maybe from lois and clark.
they called it gi joe for a reason. they wanted us to go see it. us, the people who have kept it alive. |
03-06-2008, 04:31 AM | #9 |
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I wonder how old-school X-Men fans must have felt about all the changes their beloved team suffered during these 40+ years. Sure, we could argue that it's always been the same "continuity" from a certain point of view, but there's been so many changes over the years. For younger people, X-Men can't exist without Wolverine. Yet, X-Men as a comic book is around 10 years older than Wolverine the character.
And let's not even get into DC territory.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gunslingercbr
but what has really lasted 25 years?
the brand name? sure. the concept? absolutely. but nothing else about it has permeated into Americana the way the story of Batman, Spiderman or X-Men has. the specific aspects of the story that have been changed from 25 years ago has only maintained a small niche following comparitively, and not enough to warrant it as the absolute brand elements or characterizations that the concept of Joe vs Cobra can be told from. |
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