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5 - Excellent movie! | 55 | 13.68% | |
4 - Pretty good. | 126 | 31.34% | |
3 - Average, not good, not bad. | 87 | 21.64% | |
2 - Pretty bad. | 57 | 14.18% | |
1 - Terrible movie! | 77 | 19.15% | |
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01-19-2010, 05:47 PM | #1681 |
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Imagine the septic tank in the pitt? I doubt it's hooked up to the local Egyptian sewer system.
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01-19-2010, 06:06 PM | #1682 |
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No sand in the Pitt and the water level are just a few minor things that add up to the lameness of RoC. Troynos started a whole thread because on viewing it again he noticed waaay in the background that over the loudspeakers in the Pitt(?) it could be heard "Operation Mongoose" and how cleverly awesome that is. My point being that multiple viewings reveal more detail and no not all of it is as cool as hearing "Operation Mongoose", some of it actually is pretty stupid and doesn't make any sense at all, which proves their lack of seriousness when making this movie. So stop bashing people that bring up dumb things they noticed in RoC and accept it.
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01-19-2010, 06:17 PM | #1683 |
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Well, let's face it, there are some legendary movies, even serious award winning dramas, that if you look hard enough, or go back and watch them enough times you notice screw ups, or things that were missed. Those movies were taking themselves seriously, some very much so.
We take RoC seriously because we are adult fans of GI Joe. However, in the end, as hard as it is to admit, this is a movie about toys, made to snare kids. Kids don't notice stuff like that, or all the military crap I, or others go on about, and they wouldn't even put together the signifigance behind an Op named Mongoose. While I won't say I wasn't disappointed by all the oversights, script, or lack of quality, but I've just come to realize that my eyes are waaaayyy too critical a judge of this movie. It's okay to not like it because you don't feel it was good enough. It's also okay to like it even though you know it wasn't really good enough. I've learned to take it for what it is, and what it was meant to be. GI Joe made for an adult collector audience would be a veeerrrryyyy different movie, with a different rating, and different toys. Would it be better? Maybe...probably, but it wouldn't have made Hasbro anywhere near the type of money RoC did...and in the end. That's the deciding factor.
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01-19-2010, 06:44 PM | #1684 |
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Although I disagree that a different movie wouldn't result in the same money. A rated R, adult version of GI Joe wouldn't have worked, I agree. But a better PG-13 version would have. Imagine how much better the movie would have done if it could have satisfied both kids (still a fun, light-hearted movie) and adults (in terms of quality, not graphic content) the way Iron Man did. Iron Man wasn't Oscar worthy either, it wasn't an adult movie, it wasn't serious in tone - but it maintained a huge focus on quality of story and visual effects. It was fun in way that both critical adults and children could both enjoy. Now imagine a movie like that, with the marketing juggernaut behind RoC and you've got something that appeals to a much broader audience, but still sells toys. Jsut because it's about toys made for kids doesn't mean quality storytelling should be thrown out the window. It's possible to bridge the gap. In terms of all the "little things" that RoC missed (sand in the pit, etc), I really don't care - there were so many larger issues with the movie. Those little things don't even register as important when you've got more basic issues like bad dialogue, wooden acting, and poor direction.
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01-19-2010, 06:51 PM | #1685 |
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LOL! Good stuff CTG!
This was a hollywood version of GI Joe. More concessions had to made to get this onto film. Unfortunately, a lot of what we loved about Joe was in the concessions. Since the movie did well at the box office and on dvd, maybe we will get more classic Joe in the sequel. Still, this movie was not good. One minor point I have is with the location of the PIT. It's in the desert. No big deal. However, why is there no sand inside the PIT? Considering the fact that holes open up in the desert floor, wouldn't sand leak in through these massive openings? Were the PIT Commandos just glorified janitor b/c I didn't see any sand in the PIT. Like I said, this is very minor but one of many, many issues I had with this movie. |
01-19-2010, 06:59 PM | #1686 |
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Man, I thought of something else. So after the pitt doors close, how do they get sand back on top of the roof for concealment?
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01-19-2010, 07:06 PM | #1687 |
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This, I 100% agree with.
Although I disagree that a different movie wouldn't result in the same money. A rated R, adult version of GI Joe wouldn't have worked, I agree. But a better PG-13 version would have. Imagine how much better the movie would have done if it could have satisfied both kids (still a fun, light-hearted movie) and adults (in terms of quality, not graphic content) the way Iron Man did. Iron Man wasn't Oscar worthy either, it wasn't an adult movie, it wasn't serious in tone - but it maintained a huge focus on quality of story and visual effects. It was fun in way that both critical adults and children could both enjoy. Now imagine a movie like that, with the marketing juggernaut behind RoC and you've got something that appeals to a much broader audience, but still sells toys. Jsut because it's about toys made for kids doesn't mean quality storytelling should be thrown out the window. It's possible to bridge the gap. In terms of all the "little things" that RoC missed (sand in the pit, etc), I really don't care - there were so many larger issues with the movie. Those little things don't even register as important when you've got more basic issues like bad dialogue, wooden acting, and poor direction. Show no mercy! |
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM | #1688 |
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This, I 100% agree with.
Although I disagree that a different movie wouldn't result in the same money. A rated R, adult version of GI Joe wouldn't have worked, I agree. But a better PG-13 version would have. Imagine how much better the movie would have done if it could have satisfied both kids (still a fun, light-hearted movie) and adults (in terms of quality, not graphic content) the way Iron Man did. Iron Man wasn't Oscar worthy either, it wasn't an adult movie, it wasn't serious in tone - but it maintained a huge focus on quality of story and visual effects. It was fun in way that both critical adults and children could both enjoy. Now imagine a movie like that, with the marketing juggernaut behind RoC and you've got something that appeals to a much broader audience, but still sells toys. Jsut because it's about toys made for kids doesn't mean quality storytelling should be thrown out the window. It's possible to bridge the gap. In terms of all the "little things" that RoC missed (sand in the pit, etc), I really don't care - there were so many larger issues with the movie. Those little things don't even register as important when you've got more basic issues like bad dialogue, wooden acting, and poor direction. I don't know, there were some things in Ironman that weren't very kid friendly. I think that ambush in the opening sequence was a tad intense, and the implied sex, and dismissal of the reporter weren't really things kids should have been seeing. Now, was Stark always a womanizing douche, and was Ironman always a book about a guy who made weapons and the ramifications of it? Yes. I think what made Ironman great is that it remained true to it's source material, while updating the story elements. Namely moving the story from the far east to the middle east. Had that been done with GI Joe. Gone back to the beginning of the Marvel run and move SE, SS, and Stalker's unit from Vietnam to Iraq, and introduce the Joe unit and it's formation that way...with some real world issues and a little bit of gritty realism, we would have ended up with a movie that pleased many of us, and that most parents would have let their kids see. Even if some of the things weren't REALLY kid friendly. The only problem is that Joe isn't a "superhero" property. It's a military themed one. So while Ironman could use the gritty realism of the Middle East as a backdrop to make a very real point, and add some "credibility" to the film, then move on. Joe would have a really hard time using that and moving far enough away to "lighten the mood" enough for the kids, I think. Then again, in the times we live in, maybe using GI Joe to give kids a peak at what's really going on in the world, but with using colorful character, could have taken RoC from a cash in film about a toy line, and made it into art. Then again...no one really likes art.
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01-19-2010, 09:51 PM | #1689 |
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I don't know, there were some things in Ironman that weren't very kid friendly. I think that ambush in the opening sequence was a tad intense, and the implied sex, and dismissal of the reporter weren't really things kids should have been seeing.
Now, was Stark always a womanizing douche, and was Ironman always a book about a guy who made weapons and the ramifications of it? Yes. I think what made Ironman great is that it remained true to it's source material, while updating the story elements. Namely moving the story from the far east to the middle east. Had that been done with GI Joe. Gone back to the beginning of the Marvel run and move SE, SS, and Stalker's unit from Vietnam to Iraq, and introduce the Joe unit and it's formation that way...with some real world issues and a little bit of gritty realism, we would have ended up with a movie that pleased many of us, and that most parents would have let their kids see. Even if some of the things weren't REALLY kid friendly. The only problem is that Joe isn't a "superhero" property. It's a military themed one. So while Ironman could use the gritty realism of the Middle East as a backdrop to make a very real point, and add some "credibility" to the film, then move on. Joe would have a really hard time using that and moving far enough away to "lighten the mood" enough for the kids, I think. Then again, in the times we live in, maybe using GI Joe to give kids a peak at what's really going on in the world, but with using colorful character, could have taken RoC from a cash in film about a toy line, and made it into art. Then again...no one really likes art.
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I completely second that!
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