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08-29-2009, 05:09 PM | #151 |
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After being bitten (suckered?) by a radioactive octopus maybe...
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08-29-2009, 05:27 PM | #152 |
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There are plenty of criteria for what makes a good movie. Plot development. Dialogue. Direction. Camera angles and sightlines. Acting. Delivery. Etc, etc. I realize we live in a relativistic society, but there are still objective means of judging art. How do I know a better movie would have brought in more kids and collectors? It just makes sense. C'mon, you have to admit that. You said: The movie coming out, regardless of how bad it is, is good for the line. It logically follows that the better a movie, the bigger the following. To say anything else is kinda being ridiculous. The fact that a few fan boys are not fans of the movie has absolutely no impact on the success of RoC. Frankly, most of us who disliked the movie still saw it and paid o do so, and most of us like the toys too. Bu even if every hater refused to financially support anything RoC, we'd still be a drop in the bucket. Also I never said the movie coming out, regardless of how bad it is, is good for the line. I said, the movie coming out, is good for the line. And i disagree with the better movie=better kids. Star Trek was a great movie, on par with Star wars lore and it dint bring in alot of kids or alot more fans. It kept its base, give or take a few but certainly did not create much new interest in the the younger audience, and this is also partly due to the crappy toys. The better the movie, does not meen the bigger the following...Your either a fan of the story or your not, making it a better movie is not gonna necessarily make you a new fan. Now who the movie is targeted towards and how effectively it reaches that target is what will determine whether or not there are gonna be more kids/collectors/fans. I think ROC targeted old fans as well as new collectors. However it appears the majority of the old collectors have difficulaty embracing it and thus bash it every chance it gets. Marketing wise, ROC allows for better longevity of the gijoe NAME, WHICH UP UNTIL THE MOVIE HYPE, OUTSIDE of certain circles, was pretty non existent and controlled by star wars, Marvel, transformers. ROC helped thrust GIJOE into that same level. Your last statement...the point isnt that the haters didnt support the movie, it's that they do nothing to keep the Joe name alive. Thread about how bad the movie was and how bad Sommers directing is, does nothing for people that are on the fence and then it doenst help that its on the internet. I think As Joe fans who want to see the stuff still being produced there should be some responsibility on our part to not bad mouth the product to the point that it no longer becomes existent. we should be supporting it to some degree. And as it pertains to your 3 point as to what people that liked the movie said about it... 1. I thought the movie had great backstories and plot development 2. I thought the CGI technology was very cutting edge and cool to see on the big screen 3. I did think it was fun and felt like a kid again watching good action that kept me entertained from start to finish. Last edited by dj7000; 08-29-2009 at 05:30 PM.. |
08-29-2009, 05:54 PM | #153 |
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It's better the second time you see it. Especially the Paris Parsuit part. That's where they blew their $100 million wad of cash. (They have to fix the Eiffel Tower you know!)
It's a 12 year old kids movie. Can't say it was great, yet it had plenty of cool parts to it. We've waited 25 years for this and no matter what, we will all be disappointed somewhat. My main gripe: Duke! Not enough of a badass. (Not to mention the shitty acting) |
08-29-2009, 05:57 PM | #154 |
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Come on man, do you really think that was Beattie's and Sommer's intention? The whole film seemed rushed and they phoned it in. Which is actually fact, that script was slapped together. I'm willing to bet there were very few rewrites, and I think the writer and his team, glazed over some comics, and watched an episode or two of ARAH and were like, "Ok we got enough, let's run with it". Movie's need to be written and directed by fanboys plain and simple.
All that windy point is meant to say that, to me, it does not matter what the director or scriptwriter wanted to do with the movie. What matters is the film itself. If intent was important, we would think that Uwe Boll was a fine filmmaker, because he speaks of his movies as fine works. His intent is to make a good film, and clearly he does not. Never has, likely never will. I think what happened in GI Joe is almost an accident. With a rushed script, a hodgepodge of bizzare actors, and a constantly-fluctuating budget, not even considering the possible behind-the-scenes drama we've all heard rumours about, they managed to make a film very much unlike the usual Hollywood fair. Or perhaps, a movie so much like usual Hollywood, but turned up to Eleven. Something happened there, a little piece of magic. But of course, that's my opinion, and I do not mean to berate those who do not like it, but to listen to the reasonings behind why people may not like the film and test them against my own opinions, an experiment to find which is stronger ^___^ Although, I must disagree with the idea of films being made by fans like us. If we were tasked with making a Joe film, nothing would get done: we'd all be too busy debating the minutia of it to actually craft a sensible story :P~ Larry Hama, however... I would have liked to see a Joe movie written by Hama back in the 80's (he's lost quite a bit of his touch in recent years), but that does not mean I do not like this one quite a bit ^^
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08-29-2009, 10:20 PM | #155 |
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I disagree that they phoned it in...that would indicate they had not plot development, storyline, or character development. They had all of that. Iron man was an acting and cgi mess and Dark knight was waaay too serious(lol) and conflicted with the 50 million other batman rehashes. Joker, while a great character, didnt even have a back story other than he didnt like his daddy and he didnt like batman.
....And the thing with the Joker, that was the point of The Joker, he didn't have daddy problems, you never really know why he was the way he was, he was used as a personification of a force within all of us. Heath Ledger portrayed it to a t. The greatest thing about Dark Knight was that, the take on The Joker and Gotham City, isn't my take, however I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I absolutely love different points of view, (realize I'm contradicting myself but your previous statement I'm not even sure is a point of view, because you didn't explore your comments.) But having said I like different takes on things, G.I. Joe resolute, new IDW series, new Cobra series, are all stellar interpretations of JOE. ROC however, is a rush job plain and simple, there was no depth, no reasoning, very very poor acting on Quaid and Tatum's part, and such a shotty job on directing, I really will never see a Sommer's film again. Van Helsing I thought was maybe a fluke, it sucked, Hugh couldn't save it, oh well, he'll try again. He did, I'm angry, I will not see another one of his films. AND!!! It sickens me to no end that posters on here say "Ugh get over it, the Baroness story couldn't be explained properly on film, so they had to go with what they had." Are you guys kidding me? If they couldn't do one of the most iconic if not top 5 of all time comic villianesses the right way, they shouldn't have even told her back story, and just ran it with out. Now they have to keep that shit through the next two!! The Baroness is one of the most evil rotten bitches in comics, and I love her for it. She was a sympathetic character in this movie. I don't want to feel sorry for her dammit! I want to hate her! "Yes she should die, and I hope she burns in hell"! -Samuel L. Blaster |
08-29-2009, 10:24 PM | #156 |
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and yet i bet you still dream about her dominating you all the time.
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08-29-2009, 10:33 PM | #157 |
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08-29-2009, 10:54 PM | #158 |
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If they couldn't do one of the most iconic if not top 5 of all time comic villianesses the right way, they shouldn't have even told her back story, and just ran it with out. Now they have to keep that shit through the next two!! The Baroness is one of the most evil rotten bitches in comics, and I love her for it.
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08-29-2009, 11:02 PM | #159 |
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I simply can not and will not debate films with someone who thinks that Joe movie if I can even call it that, was even worthy in contention of The Dark Knight or Iron Man. There are several points I can make objectively and subjectively how those two are worlds better than that shitastic movie.
....And the thing with the Joker, that was the point of The Joker, he didn't have daddy problems, you never really know why he was the way he was, he was used as a personification of a force within all of us. Heath Ledger portrayed it to a t. The greatest thing about Dark Knight was that, the take on The Joker and Gotham City, isn't my take, however I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I absolutely love different points of view, (realize I'm contradicting myself but your previous statement I'm not even sure is a point of view, because you didn't explore your comments.) But having said I like different takes on things, G.I. Joe resolute, new IDW series, new Cobra series, are all stellar interpretations of JOE. ROC however, is a rush job plain and simple, there was no depth, no reasoning, very very poor acting on Quaid and Tatum's part, and such a shotty job on directing, I really will never see a Sommer's film again. Van Helsing I thought was maybe a fluke, it sucked, Hugh couldn't save it, oh well, he'll try again. He did, I'm angry, I will not see another one of his films. AND!!! It sickens me to no end that posters on here say "Ugh get over it, the Baroness story couldn't be explained properly on film, so they had to go with what they had." Are you guys kidding me? If they couldn't do one of the most iconic if not top 5 of all time comic villianesses the right way, they shouldn't have even told her back story, and just ran it with out. Now they have to keep that shit through the next two!! The Baroness is one of the most evil rotten bitches in comics, and I love her for it. She was a sympathetic character in this movie. I don't want to feel sorry for her dammit! I want to hate her! "Yes she should die, and I hope she burns in hell"! -Samuel L. Blaster |
08-29-2009, 11:07 PM | #160 |
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Yes, I could follow the storyline, and character development from beginning to end. Simply being able to follow a plot line doesn't make it "good", although given your argument above, I can see how for you, it might... Quote:
the point isnt that the haters didnt support the movie, it's that they do nothing to keep the Joe name alive. ...I think As Joe fans who want to see the stuff still being produced there should be some responsibility on our part to not bad mouth the product to the point that it no longer becomes existent.
To the whole Star Trek thing, to attempt compare the two is to simply not understand the way things work.Star Trek has never been about the toys, and had pretty much nil in the area of cross-promotion with the toys. GI Joe always has been first and foremost about the toys, and there's a huge cross-promotional strategy in play. A better Joe movie, combined with the same cross-promotional strategy employed with RoC would have resulted in better sales and more fans. Period. Saying anything else is just being obtuse. Quote:
Look, the marketing did what it set out to accomplish, and would have done that regardless of whether the movie was good or bad. But a better movie would have helped the marketing push the success even further, because of the positive word of mouth by Joe Moviegoer. You say, RoC was a good movie because it got the name out there. I say, the marketing is what got the name out there. Your "because RoC got the name out there it was a good movie" argument doesn't make any sense, because "getting the name out there" for the Joe brand has literally nothing to do with the content of the movie itself. The exposure created by a hundred million dollar marketing budget is a dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks criteria for judging a film's merit.
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