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10-29-2009, 11:23 PM | #901 |
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10-29-2009, 11:29 PM | #902 |
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10-29-2009, 11:40 PM | #903 |
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Still debatable if this was a such a sucess though for its primary reason to exist. The toys remain clogging the shelves and again it has been said that was it's sole purpose to begin with was sell toys to kids. It has failed at that tremendoulsy. Made a slight profit as a movie, hey good job with that Paramount, you perked enough attention to get people into the theatre, and several to keep buying tickets multiple times. But the real story will be how many show up for ROC 2.0 (or run away fast as hell)? And how many NEW fans it either brought back into the game or brought to the franchise all together. This board has not seen a rush of new commited posters as added fandom nor has the toys made much of an impact on what kids want these days. Sorry to say that reality hurts sometimes.
In the final anlysis the toy line is all that matters, and will affect what POC looks like if it gets to come about in the future before ROC 2.0/ROC Cartoon takes over once again... |
10-29-2009, 11:50 PM | #904 |
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if you are replying to my use of "missing the mark," which it would seem you are, I clearly didn't use "missing the mark" in regards to appealing to a certain audience, which you are claiming it did as not "missing the mark," I used it in regards to the quality of the movie itself. you misunderstood what I was saying completely.
The quality of the movie was fine for who it was targeting. The movie was not made to compete with the other movies you had listed and as such was not of the same quality. I think you misunderstood my point. Had it been made to compete with those movies then yes it missed the mark by a good long stretch. but since it was not, no it did not miss any mark.
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10-30-2009, 06:55 AM | #905 |
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Whether or not RoC is the "full success" Hasbro and Paramount wanted is certainly debatable.
What is NOT debatable is the notion that people had prior to the movie being released that it'd be a complete "bomb" or that "no one" would go see it. Both of which were proven false. |
10-30-2009, 07:59 AM | #906 |
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That goes without saying........ I think think any film is ever the full success that the studio wants. They are greedy suits and they never are satisfied!
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10-30-2009, 08:39 AM | #907 |
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I know on is a tool if one quotes oneself, but
I found this gem from 08-07-09: "Listen folks I don't want this movie to do bad! Box office smash= More toys for me Box office flop = Anyone remember the Indy line?" http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-jo...e-seen-86.html |
10-30-2009, 08:43 AM | #908 |
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Oh, God........ are you really quoting yourself now...........LOL!
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10-30-2009, 08:57 AM | #909 |
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Still debatable if this was a such a sucess though for its primary reason to exist. The toys remain clogging the shelves and again it has been said that was it's sole purpose to begin with was sell toys to kids. It has failed at that tremendoulsy. Made a slight profit as a movie, hey good job with that Paramount, you perked enough attention to get people into the theatre, and several to keep buying tickets multiple times. But the real story will be how many show up for ROC 2.0 (or run away fast as hell)? And how many NEW fans it either brought back into the game or brought to the franchise all together. This board has not seen a rush of new commited posters as added fandom nor has the toys made much of an impact on what kids want these days. Sorry to say that reality hurts sometimes.
In the final anlysis the toy line is all that matters, and will affect what POC looks like if it gets to come about in the future before ROC 2.0/ROC Cartoon takes over once again... 1 - I don't know about anyone else but I really didn't expect to see alot of new posters come here because of the movie. Internet Joe sites are more about the long time fan, not the new fan. What would make a new fan come here? Internet fandom, those that post on the internet and surf the 'Net to see/discuss their favorite things, is very small compared to the overall fandom. And really, how much of a "kid" thing is it to do? I don't know too many 8-10 year olds that surf forums. 2 - RoC sold pretty well at the beginning, when it first hit the shelves. Retailers over ordering too much is the issue right now, not the lack of sales of RoC. And the over ordering can be taken as a sign that the initial orders were sold quickly and sold alot so the retailers overreacted. 3 - Hasbro reports RoC selling 3x better then 25th. Seriously, how is that failing tremendously? Even taking into account the non action figure stuff, say RoC action figures sold 1.5-2x as much as the 25th/ME. Not everyone that bought 25th/ME bought as much (if any) RoC, so where did all those new sales come from? When you start talking reality, then people will listen, but right now there isn't a single "real" thing you've said. The reality can be supported by facts. The clogging shelves, right now, is not an indication of failure. It's an indication of retailers over estimating, responding to the first offerings selling out, etc.. Did RoC extend the market as much as Hasbro hoped? No, that's a fact. Did it fail, no because it did extend the market. The problem now is that retailers are idiots. The true amount of success/failure of RoC can't be judged now, too early. It'll be when PoC hits the shelves and how well those sell. If they go back down to 25th/ME numbers, then RoC didn't accomplish anything. If they stay around 1.5-2x the sales of the 25th/ME, then RoC accomplished it's job and got new sales. If they sell around 3x the amount of 25th/ME, then RoC can be considered a huge success. If they sell less then the 25th/ME, then RoC can be considered a failure.
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10-30-2009, 09:34 AM | #910 |
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That is like saying, the Phillies won the World Series even though I said they would fail...but the real story is can they repeat? No. No it isn't. The "real" story is the here and now. The FACT is that all the naysayers and all the early predictions of failure are in fact wrong and some but not all are apparently ready to eat crow. Kind of like a 9 and 6 Football team winning the Superbowl (to mix my sports metaphor), a success is a success. You can judge how much of a success all you want but what you can no longer call it is a failure. As for the "real" story about whether the people will will show up for ROC 2.0, well your "realness" seems like a moving target no? After 2.0 is a success I assume the "real" test of success will be ROC 3.0? As for why I will comfortably predict ROC 2.0 will be a success already let me throw this out at you: 1) I am certain the budget will be reigned in a bit, it will still be huge but I would be shocked to see another $175M go into the sequel. My guess is they trim at least $50M off of it. 2) Transformers 2 was an utter piece of crap yet made more money than the first movie and any other movie this year while also having the biggest DVD haul of the year so far and it just came out. In fact, typically once a successful movie hits DVD and Cable the number of people wanting to see the next installment in the theater goes up, not down (at least for Part II, there seems to be a drop off in third go rounds in a lot of poorly reviewed movies). |
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