|08-18-2009, 01:51 PM||#31|
Join Date: Mar 2009
Even if RoC had been a complete flop...I don't think the 'future' of Joe rides so hard on this outing. GI Joe is such a point of cultural reference, that Hasbro would keep it alive in some form perpetually, and give it another big push when the dust settled.
Not only are you cripplingly ignorant, you whine about it as well.
|08-18-2009, 02:06 PM||#32|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Hasbro does need ROC to be successful in that it needs to hook the kids so they will want the toys. I don't think they would have ever released new ROC figures without a movie or TV show tie in. That's just the way things are done.
The latest Indy movie wasn't very good, but the death blow IMO is that the movie didn't grab the attention of the kids. I thought the overall toys were decent. I only bought some of the Raiders themed figures out of nostalgia. And I am waiting for the entire aisle of clearance Indy toys at TRU to be marked down even more before I consider picking up Joe compatible playsets.
The other thing to consider is the reboot Star Trek movie. I think overall it had a good following, good reviews, and was popular even among casual movie patrons. But the toyline was so bad that they didn't sell well IMO, and still warm the pegs today.
Another example is Terminator Salvation. A movie that critics hated and had mixed reviews from fans. The toyline, Playmates once again, was lacking. And, once again, warm pegs.
So, my point is that it takes both a good tie-in to a movie as well as good toy design to make a successful merchandising run. It depends on ROC, but ROC didn't have to be a work of cinema art to push the toyline. It just had to be there with lots of flashy action and one liners. That's pretty much what we got.
|08-18-2009, 10:00 PM||#33|
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I think the next 10-15 years will depend on the success of ROC, which seems to be successful enough for Hasbro/Paramount to push forward with a sequel. Will we see another TV show? More Resolute? Maybe I don't know.
Hasbro has a lot of stuff going on right now and if ROC was a flop (which it wasn't), I think they would shelve it for a while, while they pushed forward with movies/new campaigns on monopoly, candyland, battleship, my little pony, littlest pet shop, etc. before they'd get back to GI Joe. So if ROC tanked we would have seen the brand go dormant for probably 15 years or more before they'd get back to a re-launch.
There will be a sequel sooner than later, but how soon? As ROC wasn't a runaway hit (a la TF 1), they won't probably pump out a sequel in 2 years - this is probably a good thing as these rushed sequels just tend to suck....(see TF 2). After seeing TF 2 I'm now getting worried about Ironman 2 for the record...
Hopefully the modest relative sucess of ROC will bring us a sequel that will be sooner than later but well planned and thought out - I personally really enjoyed ROC but I can definitely see ways that it could be improved.
To all those who say "ROC sucked it should have been more like Resolute"...I don't think you'll ever get your wish on the big screen. While a Resolute-esque movie would have played incredibly well with the Tank crowd, it would have bombed with most families with kids, it would not have sold as many toys. No studio will spend this kind of $ on a movie aimed at solely at adult fanboys, there just aren't that many of them. The goal of ROC was to bring in a whole new generation of GI Joe fans. There was a reason Resolute was stuck on late-night cable TV, and it wasn't because it wasn't good - there is just a limited viewship for this sort of thing, and those who are into it are so dedicated they would watch/record it at any hour.
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|08-20-2009, 12:29 AM||#34|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Up until the movie, many large retailers in Canada were not carring GI Joe. Specialty stores had 25th stuff and TRU had the odd exclusive, Walmart had 5-packs that sold out super fast and Zellers had the comic 2-packs. We still only have wave1 of the 25th vehicles at retail. Just seeing the toys in the center isle has made me more interested.
|08-20-2009, 12:44 AM||#35|
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|08-20-2009, 02:00 AM||#36|
Join Date: Nov 2008
I didn't like the movie one bit, but I do have to thank it for getting G.I. Joe back into the minds of people who had pretty much forgotten about it. Maybe, unlike the 25th anniversary figures, we can see a higher production of these new toys. The 25th ann figs were a pain to find at times. I'm still missing about five of them, because they just kind of petered out. Hopefully, they reissue the 25th anniversary figures, or new sculpts of them (or just continue the line as ARAH). G.I. Joe will live on as long as they keep cranking out new figures and sets (and don't bring back the space alien junk and Battleforce 2000. LOL.)
|08-20-2009, 02:06 AM||#37|
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|08-20-2009, 02:09 AM||#38|
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Personally I think Jasbro should bring back the cartoon from the 80's, put it on cartoon network or something and let the kids get into GI Joe that way. I am sure that is how most of us did. I started watching, then bought the comics, and I bought the comics because they had the good cartoonish comercials that advertised the comic, you dont see that anymore. So maybe put the cartoon back out and get the kids that really didnt know what GI Joe was before the movie came out interested then maybe you will see more toys coing off the shelf and when the sequel comes out then maybe there will be more kids that want to have there parents take them. I look at my eight year old and if I didnt start buying the 25th line and get him into it, he never would have known what GI Joe was. They just waited so long to produce the movie, that two generations really didnt know anything about it.
|08-20-2009, 02:43 AM||#39|
Join Date: Aug 2008
1st off if a walmart display gets moved to another area, that only means theyre not getting enough on their trucks each day to keep it full, not that it aint selling, points more to it selling too much for them to handle.
the walmart ive been at for 3 years is getting alot of wave 1 and 2 and a little of 3 and 4, so not only is the display full but the new pegs have been added since the clearance prices got rid of our last 5 of major bludd.
the sequel to ROC going into production and the actors having contracts for 3 movies shows alot of success was forseen and is happening. and after seeing the 2010 lineup, im glad its continuing.
I noticed the video game version of beachhead is coming, shipwreck is out, gung ho is a walmart exclusive & i hope the game version of stalker is on the way with his shoulder length hair. the only game version i didnt like is flash, because they made the mask his head instead of removable.
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