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08-17-2009, 03:56 AM | #61 |
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** Please understand this is not a hater thread. It's an honest question!
I was checking out the box office totals and I'm getting a little worried about ROC. As of 8/16 ROC's only at $98,753,000. (This is according to boxofficemojo.com.) It's been reported that ROC cost $175 to make. Let's be honest here if ROC dose not turn an overwhelming profit we wont see a second movie. After a 58% drop in attendance in week two do you think that the DVD sales will decide the fate of GI Joe 2? All I can say is Hasblo better shape up and make a better film by first making a bulletproof script and getting a competent director for the genre. I have already written a letter to James Cameron's office begging him to direct the film!!! He probably won't reply but maybe he'll do it!!!
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08-17-2009, 04:12 AM | #62 |
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We have to remember, this was a 175 million dollar toy comercial. I'm sure including the branding of merchandise it will clear 1 billion dollars, right mr bigglesworth?
Hasbro made this movie to sell toys, it should, hopefully on the level of transformers, but I say the net worth of the movie and profits comes down to the merch as well. |
08-17-2009, 04:13 AM | #63 |
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In Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand and many other Asian countries, Transformers was the highest grossing film in history, period. It was also a record breaker in Europe and Africa. G.I. Joe does not have and never will have the wide recognition that Transformers has. Maybe this will change now with RoC. But my point is, like Dark Knight, this is not a good comparison. Honestly, I don't know what a good comparison would be, maybe we should just wait and see.
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08-17-2009, 04:41 AM | #64 |
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Transformers had the imagery of big robots done with a very large budget. Something not seen by the general public. I said for years that the first movie to tap that genre in a big budget fashion would be a hit. It was something visually new for the public. Hence, its success.
GI Joe ROC doesn't have anything in the trailers to distinguish it from other action movies. Instead, the accellerator suits came off as pale Iron Man imitations to most people. People felt they had already seen it and seen it done better. Hence, no box office reaction. We can throw around box office totals all day, but the studio doesn't take in the total amount of box office money. Theater chains also get a cut. Then factor in the cost of making the actual film prints and advertising. Years ago, a film needed to make 3 times its budget at the box office to break even. With the huge spike in rentals, DVD sales, cable, and pa-yper-view over the last 15 years, the ratio has changed. Paramount isn't making any money off ROC toy sales. Word had it that Paramount foot the bill for the actual film, but I think they split the cost. Hasbro may have even spent more money on making the film than Paramount. They might have a deal like Marvel does. Marvel pays for its film, and Paramount just distributes for a cut of the box office take. I think it's likely Hasbro and Paramount have a similar deal. The one factor really controlling the fate of a sequel is toy sales. Sure box office will help offset the cost of the movie (there's still international, DVD, etc), but merchandise is a huge factor as well. If ROC pulls in $150 million domestically and another $150 internationally, I think we'll definately see a sequel. I'm sure it'll clear $100 million in merchandise (not just toys) as well. |
08-17-2009, 05:07 AM | #65 |
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Oh, and I haven't been a fan of many comic book movies. I think many of them are overrated. They tend to not be very good films. They seem to be put into their own category, so they don't have to very good when compared to other films.
The X-Men movies are boring and develop none of the characters except for Wolverine, Rogue, and Magneto. X2 in particular is highly overrated. There's no action in it. And it's just a rehash of the first movie but longer. I don't find X3 to be any worse than the X1 and X2. They're all rubbish. Wolverine may be the worst of the them all. The Spider-Man movies are okay, but they can never seem to juggle his personal life and Spider-Man's very well. And he always has to rescue his girlfriend. SM3 isn't completely awful, it's just overstuffed. Sandmnan is the worst part of that movie, as he's just not interesting. Batman Begins is actually pretty good, but I find the whole "must save the city" to be rather forced. I think the movie would have been better if it didn't try to be so large in scope. The last act with the runaway train is rather hacky and cliched. As the story of Batman's beginnings , the climax should have been something more personal. TDK is boring. And it has no central character or story arc. It feels like episodes of "What's Joker's Plan This Reel?". It's basically scatterbrained. Bale is not very charismatic (in any role he does), so therefore who really cares what happens to his character? I love Nolan as a filmmaker, but his films all tend to be dry on an emotional level. His characters are too removed from humanity to care about. Technically, he's very skilled though. I actually find TDK to be his weakest film. Iron Man was fun but lacking in emotional depth. It does a good job of juggling the hero and his alter ego and meshing their respective stories which most films don't do very well. Stark's reason for becoming Iron Man could have been more emotional. Instead, it feels a little dry. The movie is fun, though, which is something that the X-Men or Nolan Batman movies seem scared to attempt. I can't decide which Hulk film is better. I don't think Banner is very compelling as a character in either film. Nick Nolte's character shouldn't have become Absorbing Man, as that story arc seems tacked on. Abomination was better but his turn toward evil seems rushed, as if some major scenes were trimmed out. Superman is good, but Lex Luthor's plan is retarded. The last act of that movie is just awful. Superman II is more fun and the fight between Superman and Zod and cohorts is still probably the best superhero fight scene yet. Superman III, IV, and Pt I Redux (Singer's version) all suck. I actually think the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie has been one of the best comic book movies. It was very accurate to the comic. It also had a bit of heart to it and developed each of its characters. For a relatively low-budget movie, it worked very well. Most people brush it off, because the sequels were terrible. Incredibles is probably the best superhero movie. Although, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is equally as good and the best treatment of Batman (and Joker) in a feature film. |
08-17-2009, 05:09 AM | #66 |
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Hey I was just thinking about it and section 9 in the ghost in the shell tv series is more or less along the same lines as G.I. Joe so that might help.... maybe.... maybe not???
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08-17-2009, 05:13 AM | #67 |
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With international sales combined with US ticket sales they have almost made their money back.
Domestic: $98,753,000 59.9% + Foreign: $66,190,372 40.1% = Worldwide: $164,943,372 (So far) they are 10,000,000.00 away from breaking even. With DVD sales they will make a nice profit.
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08-17-2009, 05:24 AM | #68 |
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^^ what samantha said plus the toys, plus the dvd's and blueray plus xmas. hasbro already knows its got a profit hence why they greenlighted a sequal after opening weekend
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08-17-2009, 05:25 AM | #69 |
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With international sales combined with US ticket sales they have almost made their money back.
Domestic: $98,753,000 59.9% + Foreign: $66,190,372 40.1% = Worldwide: $164,943,372 (So far) they are 10,000,000.00 away from breaking even. With DVD sales they will make a nice profit. Comparing RoC to Transformers and Dark Knight is silly, those are two of the top grossing films in Hollywood history. The Rise of COBRA is in a unique situation...Paramount IS actually getting a kick back from merchandising, and they split production costs with Spyglass. Not only that, but the DVD is hitting during the holiday season, and that will likely generate some serious revenue as well. I've seen multiple forums out there already prepared to label the film a failure at the box office after 10 days. Let's give it some time. Justin |
08-17-2009, 05:28 AM | #70 |
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Actually those numbers skew a bit low. The real totals so far are $98.8 million domestic and $91.5 million internationally, for a total of over $190 million worldwide. Box Office Mojo's numbers internationally don't go beyond August 9th at the moment. G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Box Office Update - Superhero Hype!
Comparing RoC to Transformers and Dark Knight is silly, those are two of the top grossing films in Hollywood history. The Rise of COBRA is in a unique situation...Paramount IS actually getting a kick back from merchandising, and they split production costs with Spyglass. Not only that, but the DVD is hitting during the holiday season, and that will likely generate some serious revenue as well. I've seen multiple forums out there already prepared to label the film a failure at the box office after 10 days. Let's give it some time. Justin
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