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08-13-2009, 08:04 PM | #111 |
Gary Goggles
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but why should a franchise like gi joe have to rip off star wars...especially since gi joe is older and has a deeper more varied history???
i don't mind changes...change is good...but when you're blatantly aping other flicks because you rushed a script to beat a strike is pathetic... i didn't expect the movie to be perfect...but when you're a blockbuster tent pole...why in the blue blazes would you need to do homages??? i'm not buying the homage excuse... Lucas is the king of over-egging the easter hunt. every prequel installment ...half the script was throwbacks to the original trilogy. heheheheh pompous Lucas homaging himself... sounds dirty.
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08-13-2009, 08:11 PM | #112 |
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but why should a franchise like gi joe have to rip off star wars...especially since gi joe is older and has a deeper more varied history???
i don't mind changes...change is good...but when you're blatantly aping other flicks because you rushed a script to beat a strike is pathetic... i didn't expect the movie to be perfect...but when you're a blockbuster tent pole...why in the blue blazes would you need to do homages??? i'm not buying the homage excuse... |
08-13-2009, 08:14 PM | #113 |
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especialy outside the halls, every hall has its cameras.
the movie did have parts where I felt like I was whatching star wars, it had a sw feel to it, the panning scenes of desert especialy. Even the cartoon had some crazy plots it has nver, in my opinion, been realistic. |
08-13-2009, 08:19 PM | #114 |
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well yes a few esp where realistic one that comes to mind is the traitor. i just with it was more army then sci fi. the cartoon & comics where 85% army and the rest sci fi.
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08-13-2009, 08:32 PM | #115 |
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My quick answer is the director Sommers and his screenwriter does not care too much of the previously established story.
They changed things that weren't really that much better changed that what was originally in the first place. The story is hoaky at best. I almost felt like the old cartoon because Cobra had the weird cuncussion blaster weapons and Joe only had bullets. I don't want to go into too much detail but you can easily say this movie has plot holes so big you can drive Optimus Prime through them. That is not saying anything about the cheap crappy CGI. This film tried really hard to be like alot of other films whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars. Only the CGI sucked. The premise of the characters was dull. I still can't figure out why Zartan whistles "Pop Goes the Weasel." We can already figure out basicly what the sequel is about. President Zartan decides to make executive order 666 and disbands the G.I.Joes. Cobra Commander attacks the US FLAGG and reactivates the Borg Nanoprobes in the Baroness thereby making her evil once again. Then the Joe team must go against UN/NATO and attack Cobra as a renagade force. All the while the Joe team must defend against NATO forces who are working under President Zartan's orders to stop the Joe team because they are a AWOL renegade force. Destro or Storm Shadow probably has a Borg Nanoprobe malfunction and they go and squeal on President Zartan towards the end of the show. The Joe team much attach the White House and finally exposes Zartan. The real president much then be rescued if he is not dead. Now if the movie becomes anything like what I just wrote down, it is way to predicable to go see. Thanks
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08-13-2009, 08:49 PM | #116 |
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My quick answer is the director Sommers and his screenwriter does not care too much of the previously established story.
They changed things that weren't really that much better changed that what was originally in the first place. The story is hoaky at best. I almost felt like the old cartoon because Cobra had the weird cuncussion blaster weapons and Joe only had bullets. I don't want to go into too much detail but you can easily say this movie has plot holes so big you can drive Optimus Prime through them. That is not saying anything about the cheap crappy CGI. This film tried really hard to be like alot of other films whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars. Only the CGI sucked. The premise of the characters was dull. I still can't figure out why Zartan whistles "Pop Goes the Weasel." We can already figure out basicly what the sequel is about. President Zartan decides to make executive order 666 and disbands the G.I.Joes. Cobra Commander attacks the US FLAGG and reactivates the Borg Nanoprobes in the Baroness thereby making her evil once again. Then the Joe team must go against UN/NATO and attack Cobra as a renagade force. All the while the Joe team must defend against NATO forces who are working under President Zartan's orders to stop the Joe team because they are a AWOL renegade force. Destro or Storm Shadow probably has a Borg Nanoprobe malfunction and they go and squeal on President Zartan towards the end of the show. The Joe team much attach the White House and finally exposes Zartan. The real president much then be rescued if he is not dead. Now if the movie becomes anything like what I just wrote down, it is way to predicable to go see. Thanks :P
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08-13-2009, 08:56 PM | #117 |
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These arguments about wishing more ARAH elements were in ROC always degenerate into an "all or nothing" shouting match. I doubt the OP wants to see "We Were Soldiers" with Joe logos, but during its heydey the franchise always kept one foot grounded in real life hardware and the other in futuristic/fantasy sci-fi weaponry.
Sure, the original Joes featured a laser trooper and a jetpack guy, but they also had an M-14 armed infantryman, a mortar expert, Sheridan-style tanks, machine gun armed jeeps, and F-14s as their principal fighter. Especially given how poor some of the CGI aircraft looked in ROC, I think the use of more real world stuff in the sequel can only benefit the film and the franchise as a whole. |
08-14-2009, 02:02 AM | #118 |
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The only real gripes I have about the sci-fi element are The Baroness's pistols and the Cobra UFO or whatever it was that attacked Duke's convoy at the beginning of the film. I felt those two things made it a bit too 'Mars Attack' in my opinion.
One thing about the Accelerator suits, I know a lot of folks may not have dug them but they're not that far away from established Joe-verse technology. Anyone remember the S.N.A.K.E. armor? http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/83/snake/snake_title.jpg They even appeared in the comic to boot. |
08-14-2009, 02:11 AM | #119 |
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Why did they go completely sci-fi?
Because Hollywood is full of pansies who didn't want to step on any toes...zero toes. Hence GI Joe is some weird international load of BS, something I wanted to see about as much as the other end of my tongue. So, if you can't use a present conflict or past conflict, or anything that might offend someone what can you use? The near future where clearly we can develop jet gliders and advanced aircraft but all the cars are the same. Well, hey we're in the future...ramp up the effects budget and add in some cool gizmos, who needs to know that GI Joe was meant to be The Real American hero? I mean, what if we offend the Mesopotamians with this American Hero stuff? Do we want to anger them? We could lose some of our market share! My god! Oh and we cannot glorify war and real guns and soldiers and military unifrorms, signs of patriotism; all of these clearly glorify war and we cannot have that! Why it might offend one of our actors!!! Yeah, and well we're working hard at not offending people I'm amazed we didn't go out of our damned way to make sure people realized that there are no "bad guys" and that we fairly showed the other sides point of view. I mean for all we know someone from our country could have knocked over a trash can in theirs creating an international incident! Nope...better not offend nobody. |
08-14-2009, 04:38 AM | #120 |
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Uh, wasn't it in S2 of the old Sunbow Cartoon? Serpentor's creation, BATs.
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