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08-10-2009, 06:10 PM | #51 |
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08-10-2009, 06:14 PM | #52 |
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i love corny movies. and i loved this one alot.
at least in my top 50. |
08-10-2009, 06:17 PM | #53 |
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If I wasn't a fan of the franchise from the very first days back in 1982, I would have liked the movie and taken it for nothing more than a mindless, loud, popcorn action movie for the summer. Instead, ROC won't even make ANY list of mine. I prefer to simply strike it from my memory and pray somewhere along the way I can get that 2 hours back.
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08-10-2009, 06:20 PM | #54 |
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If I wasn't a fan of the franchise from the very first days back in 1982, I would have liked the movie and taken it for nothing more than a mindless, loud, popcorn action movie for the summer. Instead, ROC won't even make ANY list of mine. I prefer to simply strike it from my memory and pray somewhere along the way I can get that 2 hours back.
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08-10-2009, 06:36 PM | #55 |
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Are you seriously asking what makes a good movie? Great story, great script, themes, subtext, thought provoking, emotional, great dialogue, believability, acting, camera work, technical skill, art sensibilities, production quality
GI Joe doesn't deliver on any of that at all Great Story - opinion Great Script - mostly opinion themes - opinion subtext - opinion thought provoking -opinion emotional - opinion great dialogue (isn't that the same as great script?) - opinion believability - opinion acting - opinion camera work - somewhat technical, but what classifys as good and great is opinion technical skill - i'll give ya that one art sensibilities - what is meant by that? production quality - measureable, but how does that relate to "good", you can have great production quality and still be a bad movie So what does make a good movie? A good movie doesn't need to be thought provoking. There doesn't need to be some higher purpose or underlying message. What makes a great story is opinion. Camera work is measurable, you can see if the camera is jarring or moves to fast or something like that, but it really doesn't have an impact on if the end product is good or not. So again, what does make a good movie? It's all opinion. So I say RoC was a good movie and there's no way you can refute that because it is my opinion. Just like you can say RoC is a bad movie and I can't refute that because it is your opinion. At the end of the day, all these threads are completely and absolutely useless because it's all opinion. I say "I like it", you say "I didn't" and we go on with our lives.
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08-10-2009, 06:40 PM | #56 |
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I liked the movie but it's definitely not in my top ten.
I don't think it even cracks my top 25.
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08-10-2009, 06:45 PM | #57 |
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Going thru the list:
Great Story - opinion Great Script - mostly opinion themes - opinion subtext - opinion thought provoking -opinion emotional - opinion great dialogue (isn't that the same as great script?) - opinion believability - opinion acting - opinion camera work - somewhat technical, but what classifys as good and great is opinion technical skill - i'll give ya that one art sensibilities - what is meant by that? production quality - measureable, but how does that relate to "good", you can have great production quality and still be a bad movie So what does make a good movie? A good movie doesn't need to be thought provoking. There doesn't need to be some higher purpose or underlying message. What makes a great story is opinion. Camera work is measurable, you can see if the camera is jarring or moves to fast or something like that, but it really doesn't have an impact on if the end product is good or not. So again, what does make a good movie? It's all opinion. So I say RoC was a good movie and there's no way you can refute that because it is my opinion. Just like you can say RoC is a bad movie and I can't refute that because it is your opinion. At the end of the day, all these threads are completely and absolutely useless because it's all opinion. I say "I like it", you say "I didn't" and we go on with our lives. opinion becomes 'fact-icious' when you can compare it to other things. a LOT of ROC supporters used 'Requiem' as a basis for their support of Marlon Wayans. And I know you're probably tempted to say "ROC and Requiem are two different animals." And they are. But Marlon REALLY got hasty with his acting and lines in ROC. Don't get me wrong, I liked Marlon more than any of the other Joe actors. which... saying that tastes like I'm eating someone else's boogers.
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08-10-2009, 06:47 PM | #58 |
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Ahhh, 80'sBabyFTW, I would agree those elements make a good film. What I am proposing is that there is a difference between a good film and a good movie Semantics, I know, but I love discussing these ideas. A good film embodies those qualities, and owes a great deal to the science and craftsmanship of film. That's why film studies exist.
A good movie, however? That's an idea I'm toying with. Again, film as a medium when it was born was essentially for playing with magic tricks, delighting an audience. These early films are now appreciated as artistic, although they lack most or all of the qualities you've listed. The idea of the filmmaking auteur emerged much later. To me, a good movie has the ability to enchant an audience, take them somewhere beyond reality for the running time and after in the memory and heart. Of course, this is a much harder point to debate, but that's what makes it so much more fun~! Troynos, I would agree that these things are all opinion. But I do not think that we should not talk about them as opinion, nor should opinions be inconsequential because they're different from our own. The great joy of debate is to challenge ourselves, to see our own opinions change ^___^
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08-10-2009, 06:50 PM | #59 |
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Troynos, I would agree that these things are all opinion. But I do not think that we should not talk about them as opinion, nor should opinions be inconsequential because they're different from our own. The great joy of debate is to challenge ourselves, to see our own opinions change ^___^
Granted, they may be opinions that are shared by many and commonly accepted as "fact" (as they are "taught" in film school and such), but they are still just opinions. And I know exactly where you're going with film and movie. A movie is entertainment, a film strives to be a work of art. That accurate to where you're going? edit: for the record, I'm an architect. I know all about commonly accepted "facts" of what is good and what is not.
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08-10-2009, 06:55 PM | #60 |
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The movie was ok but it doesn't even break my top 50 all time.
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