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Former HATER and still a HATER | 28 | 14.74% | |
Former HATER and now on the fence | 7 | 3.68% | |
Former HATER and now I liked it | 12 | 6.32% | |
Former HATER and now I LOVE it!!! | 21 | 11.05% | |
I was not a HATER and now I loved it | 57 | 30.00% | |
I was not a HATER and now I liked it. | 24 | 12.63% | |
I was not a HATER and I thought it was OK | 30 | 15.79% | |
I was not a HATER and now I HATED it. | 11 | 5.79% | |
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08-08-2009, 12:38 AM | #31 |
Hector Delgado
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man its not about being closed minded its about the love we have for joe so we cant just disconnect like some ppl can who like it. not saing those ppl dont love joe. it is just in a dif way then other ppl do who cant get over the changes they made to the back story's. I loved what they did with Resolute. if res was the live action alot more ppl would of loved it. pluse the goer was alot less then roc. Quote:
No clue what the hell any of this means...what is this stomach thing?
Again you try to mold your hater vision around some singula expectation of a direct copy of 25th/ME/Original cartoons from the 80's and it is 100% dead wrong. I want something NEW AND UNIQUE not something rehashed and half-baked as this movie is. All I see is James Bond and Star Wars remakes crammed together with some tossed in Joe salad names and after thoughts just to sell it as a Joe-verse..nothing more. How is any of that new and organicly growing the brand?? And the figures are no more articulated and detailed then the25th/ME figures (for gods sake most RESUE 25th/ME parts), just mayeb a little more time was taken on their paint apps since it was a movie sell and not a memory collection. There would be VvV/Spytroops figures in this line up if it was not for the 25th/ME sucesses at the newer mold ideas... |
08-08-2009, 12:38 AM | #32 |
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So wait....you want it to be true to its' roots but "new and unique?"
You can't have it both ways. But please do try to explain how to make a "new and unique" G.I. Joe movie that still meets your criteria of "being G.I. Joe." Because Resolute certainly wasn't anything new under the sun. G.I. Joe has always had plenty of Connery-Moore (and Brosnan) era James Bond mixed into it. More than a little sci-fi, too. Star Wars is the template by which pretty much all modern adventure movies are measured by. Seeing similarities to it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but rather an inevitable thing. Just don't try to underdstand and just want to agrue is all you want...that is all it comes down too in every thread. How many ways can I say "new and unique" I swaer to god take your ROC wool off your sheep eyes/out of your ears and maybe you will learn to understand that not everyone falls under your (prejudicial and down right insulting) view of everyone who is not on board with your idealogy 100% or dares to thnk differenlty. That is exaclty my point about new an dunique, you can not even summon points to support how ROC shows that it is new and unique as a joe-verse and not just Bourne, Bond, Star Wars. Why is that so much to ask? Hmm? I am waiting Jmacq1...
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08-08-2009, 12:42 AM | #33 |
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the point a moment ago... Not all things can be shown in a movie.. not all things can be copied right and directed into a storyline of past or present for a budget. You can have the writers write it out... but 2 hrs for a film, to cram correctness into it? might be tough. at any rate... we still received a film even if it's 25 years later.
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08-08-2009, 12:43 AM | #34 |
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Oh, I understand that Crosshairs... Just guess I gave it a chance. I welcome something that isn't completely comic book based, even though Joes are comic and cartoon based in what they are by characters. I wasn't so keen on Res cause I've not seen much of it. I'd like to have gotten the chance to see Res. Hopefully I'll get a chance... When I first saw Res figures I didn't bother with any of them cause I didn't like them. Now? Won't ever get any. do i regret? no. The film game however is a classic story we all know. M.A.S.S. Lot of homages in the game and well... that fueled me for the movie. Love my Joes as much as my Transformers.. I had a hard time swallowing the TF films. I thought G.I.Joe was a breath of air .
Missed the points i made, as for the stomach thing, if I have to explain it's not worth digestion discussions. Anyway.. not all figures were reused molds. SE was a new mold as were most of the figures. Look... Here's a simple point here... Mentioned this to one of the guys that did the promo with me. Things we knew and loved... mind you the promo table had only the comic roc adaptation and one Hawk figure... The rest of the case? Original Joes and 25th A. Much of which was more enjoyed by me then anyone there. So.. My love for the line is deep. But after 26 years of nothing of a tie-in for the line... and this movie has been the only thing made that I've seen.. I cannot count resolute... never seen it, nor do I dis-it outside of the figures I'm not too feeling for. beside the point... Never got into it cause i didn't really ever get to know it.
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08-08-2009, 12:43 AM | #35 |
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and with that said... I think somehow we've all managed to completely confuse ourselves...
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08-08-2009, 12:46 AM | #36 |
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What do you mean be tryed to it's roots and can't have it both ways? I did not even state that in my posts here...
Just don't try to underdstand and just want to agrue is all you want...that is all it comes down too in every thread. How many ways can I say "new and unique" I swaer to god take your ROC wool off your sheep eyes/out of your ears and maybe you will learn to understand that not everyone falls under your (prejudicial and down right insulting) view of everyone who is not on board with your idealogy 100% or dares to thnk differenlty. That is exaclty my point about new an dunique, you can not even summon points to support how ROC shows that it is new and unique as a joe-verse and not just Bourne, Bond, Star Wars. Why is that so much to ask? Hmm? I am waiting Jmacq1... I don't have to defend RoC from anything. I haven't seen the full movie yet, and I never claimed anything in particular about its "unique" nature (or lack thereof). I did say that having the influence of other films is not an inherently negative thing, and pointed out that due to the MASSIVE number of movies that cross into the action/adventure genre, it's damn near impossible to have anything that's completely "new and unique." Everything is influenced by what came before. Sometimes those influences are good, sometimes they're not, but most of the time it's purely subjective. You however, stated you wanted something "new and unique" and I asked for an example that you failed to provide. The only logical conclusion is that you don't have one, particularly given your obvious and transparent attempt to try to turn the question back on me rather than actually answer it. Last edited by Jmacq1; 08-08-2009 at 12:48 AM.. |
08-08-2009, 12:54 AM | #37 |
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You're the one calling me "sheep" and saying -I'm- the insulting one? Guess I'd rather be a sheep than a hypocrite.
I don't have to defend RoC from anything. I haven't seen the full movie yet, and I never claimed anything in particular about its "unique" nature (or lack thereof). I did say that having the influence of other films is not an inherently negative thing, and pointed out that due to the MASSIVE number of movies that cross into the action/adventure genre, it's damn near impossible to have anything that's completely "new and unique." Everything is influenced by what came before. Sometimes those influences are good, sometimes they're not, but most of the time it's purely subjective. You however, stated you wanted something "new and unique" and I asked for an example that you failed to provide. The only logical conclusion is that you don't have one, particularly given your obvious and transparent attempt to try to turn the question back on me rather than actually answer it. easy Resolute dose that answer your question ?????????? |
08-08-2009, 12:56 AM | #38 |
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New and unique would be to come out right and state that as a director and a producer. Nither of them provided any ground work that what they had in place was going to set a new pace and a new style of GI JOE. All they said was it was based on the comics and cartoons of the 80's. And then all Sommers can say is how much it is like his childhood dreams of James Bond and he wanted to pay that a lot of homage in his last big chance possibley to ever make a Bond like film. That does not sound anything like wanting to make an oustanding Joe movie, just a haphazard pawn off to just do lik eyou always say, appease the mighty dollar (which could be done 10 fold if they tried to at least make it better than substandard and not wish to ever be recognized for thier work, that sure the hell won't get you on the Bond vetting band wagon as director anytime soon)
New and Unique would have been in a new set of 12 characters. General Joeblow, Intelligence officer/weapons Expert Sandbag, Underwater Dmeolitions Divebell, etc etc. A New world for them to be in, not USA vs. France. After 45 years of fighting a global conflict 2 factions remain, Joe for good Cobra for evil (yes good vs. evil is in every film, you can't have a movie about war without it sorry I am so shallow). I guess it could be Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Maybe that would be unique could have it setup like Bruno. Yeah that's the ticket, stupid comedy about nothing... Sigma 6 was unique, VvV was unique, Sgt. Savage was unique, Spytroops was unique, Action force was unique but they were thier own verse and small take on an ever changing brand. As long as ROC stays in it's own world and Hasbro allows for other verses to co-exist and branch out, I will be fine. But if everything continues the way it is going already (just like Star wars amalgamut of bleeding everything together) that will not be the case and "new and unique" just got reapinted 45 times over the next 3 years of ROC stuff. Grow an imagination and think out of the box and I am sure you can come up with a new and unique story to counter mine...might be better than ROC, lets wait and see what comes next!
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08-08-2009, 01:00 AM | #39 |
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Resolute was not unique at all, except in the sense of being a slightly more mature animated version of Joe than we'd seen before. All the elements that actually comprised the story were almost exactly like things we'd seen in other variations of RAH Joe before, particularly the comics. |
08-08-2009, 01:05 AM | #40 |
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No it doesn't. I responded to that earlier but you must have missed that.
Resolute was not unique at all, except in the sense of being a slightly more mature animated version of Joe than we'd seen before. All the elements that actually comprised the story were almost exactly like things we'd seen in other variations of RAH Joe before, particularly the comics. oh ROc had way more gore and deaths then res did. i mean they had to blow off there heads to kill them. and it show it on the screen. one viper was eaten by the naties after breaker stabed him in the head to get info off him. sorry RES was alot better. it was mature in a good way unlike ROC. |
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