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07-08-2019, 06:48 PM | #21 |
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What they did to my boy Flint was a travesty. And where the heck is Stalker?
Can they please set a movie in the 80s? Thats where it really works best. Plus, think of the great soundtrack you could have. Id also like to see it taken way more earnestly. Look at what Batman Begins did for the Batman franchise. If they are making a movie to sell toys then they have already lost. I really doubt you are going to get new kids as fans. Kids of each generation will have their own thing. I dont think too many of us loved what was popular in the 50s and 60s when we were kids. Therefore any movie should be aimed at adults who grew up with it. With lower profit expectations in mind if necessary. Quote:
I have said this before and I will say it again. Before ROC, I only knew about the 12 inch joes from my dad. Sure I've seen sigma 6 Joe's at the store but wasn't really into them, and the Internet didn't really exist in rural America to learn about the 80's joes. However, something about ROC made my 10 year old mind fall in love with GI Joe. Me and the boys (as they say) bought the figures, saw the movie, played the wii game, and watched the movie again etc. When POC came out we were overjoyed! (by this time we had seen the 80's show and read the marvel comics) RET was great as well. Then it pretty much stopped after that. There were no nearby Toys R US for 50th Joes and my friends lost interest. Now and then when we aren't writing papers or studying for exams we will talk about upcoming movies and if there will ever be another GI Joe. So yeah, the GI Joe movies have become a part of my childhood, despite them not being the best films ever made
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07-08-2019, 08:37 PM | #22 |
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Haha Old, but hopeful. Great to read that the Joe vs Cobra story did, in fact, gain the attention of at least a few kiddos.
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07-09-2019, 01:56 PM | #23 |
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[QUOTE=SmokeBellew;5204196]Eh...been there, done that, bought the merchandise. Also, yeah, why don't they cater a big budget movie to a rapidly dwindling fanbase of notoriously cheap old farts!? Brilliant strategy, that. ;)
I guess that was kind of my point. It SHOULDNT be a big budget movie. They dont even need a lot of special effects. They could have a fantastic cloak and dagger style movie with unknown actors in the roles. |
07-09-2019, 02:07 PM | #24 |
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Eh...been there, done that, bought the merchandise. Also, yeah, why don't they cater a big budget movie to a rapidly dwindling fanbase of notoriously cheap old farts!? Brilliant strategy, that. ;)
I guess that was kind of my point. It SHOULDNT be a big budget movie. They dont even need a lot of special effects. They could have a fantastic cloak and dagger style movie with unknown actors in the roles. |
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07-09-2019, 02:40 PM | #25 |
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I don’t get the obsession toy makers have with Hollywood. When’s the last time a movie actually made toys sell better? Even Star Wars underperforms on the toy aisle these days. Make commercials and put them online where kids will see them. Make a web based series (animated). The blockbuster to sell toys mindset is dated.
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07-09-2019, 03:08 PM | #26 |
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Its just frustrating because they have all these really great characters but then they bring in guys like The Rock, Marlon Wayans and Channing Tatum to not play the characters but basically just play themselves.
"You love my panties". Man, that line is Duke to a T right there. |
07-09-2019, 03:20 PM | #27 |
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I don’t get the obsession toy makers have with Hollywood. When’s the last time a movie actually made toys sell better? Even Star Wars underperforms on the toy aisle these days. Make commercials and put them online where kids will see them. Make a web based series (animated). The blockbuster to sell toys mindset is dated.
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07-09-2019, 03:32 PM | #28 |
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I don’t get the obsession toy makers have with Hollywood. When’s the last time a movie actually made toys sell better? Even Star Wars underperforms on the toy aisle these days. Make commercials and put them online where kids will see them. Make a web based series (animated). The blockbuster to sell toys mindset is dated.
Basically the whole thing sprang from Star Wars. And the Toy manufacturers have repeatedly decided the risk of a tie-in line bombing is worth taking if there's even the slightest chance it becomes "the next Star Wars." It shifted to cartoons for a while, but think of all the toy lines that cropped up in the 80's, and compare it to how many became really big, enduring hits: Basically just GI Joe, MotU, and Transformers. That's a really low percentage (and MotU only qualifies because it made SO MUCH money in it's relatively brief run...it hasn't had a really successful mass-retail presence since the 80's). Truth be told the last time we probably saw a movie line REALLY go large was the original live-action Transformers movie, where demand was massively underestimated by both Hasbro and retailers (probably due to existing fans pooh-poohing the "busy" designs so loudly online), which also led to follow-on effects that I personally believe caused a lot of problems for the Joe line (among others, as Hasbro scrambled to readjust production priorities to get more Transformers stuff out that year). The Marvel movies seem to churn product at a steady rate but it doesn't seem like any single movie drives that so much as the franchise as a whole (and we'll see how things go after Endgame). But I don't think web-toons or advertisements or anything of the sort are really going to "save" the action figure industry. Advertisements are often easily skipped, and chances are the kid's watching the webtoon on a device they have far more interest in than any action figures. I think the day of the action figure as a mass retail product is passing. It'll live on for a while as boutique product for adult collectors online, but society (and the market) is just shifting away from some of the kinds of toys we used to play with as kids, and has been for years. Last edited by Jmacq1; 07-09-2019 at 03:39 PM.. |
07-09-2019, 08:25 PM | #29 |
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The "blockbuster to sell toys" idea was never as common an occurrence as people think. But the flipside is that on the occasions that it works, it makes a LUDICROUS amount of money for the toy manufacturer that gets the "big hit."
Basically the whole thing sprang from Star Wars. And the Toy manufacturers have repeatedly decided the risk of a tie-in line bombing is worth taking if there's even the slightest chance it becomes "the next Star Wars." It shifted to cartoons for a while, but think of all the toy lines that cropped up in the 80's, and compare it to how many became really big, enduring hits: Basically just GI Joe, MotU, and Transformers. That's a really low percentage (and MotU only qualifies because it made SO MUCH money in it's relatively brief run...it hasn't had a really successful mass-retail presence since the 80's). Truth be told the last time we probably saw a movie line REALLY go large was the original live-action Transformers movie, where demand was massively underestimated by both Hasbro and retailers (probably due to existing fans pooh-poohing the "busy" designs so loudly online), which also led to follow-on effects that I personally believe caused a lot of problems for the Joe line (among others, as Hasbro scrambled to readjust production priorities to get more Transformers stuff out that year). The Marvel movies seem to churn product at a steady rate but it doesn't seem like any single movie drives that so much as the franchise as a whole (and we'll see how things go after Endgame). But I don't think web-toons or advertisements or anything of the sort are really going to "save" the action figure industry. Advertisements are often easily skipped, and chances are the kid's watching the webtoon on a device they have far more interest in than any action figures. I think the day of the action figure as a mass retail product is passing. It'll live on for a while as boutique product for adult collectors online, but society (and the market) is just shifting away from some of the kinds of toys we used to play with as kids, and has been for years. |
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Its just frustrating because they have all these really great characters but then they bring in guys like The Rock, Marlon Wayans and Channing Tatum to not play the characters but basically just play themselves.
"You love my panties". Man, that line is Duke to a T right there. GI Joe could be a thing again under the right circumstances. Look at Marvel now... it was really struggling not so long ago (that’s why it’s a Disney property now). If they made a big budget Joe film that was an adult friendly version of a Sunbow cartoon with accurate costume and great effects, it could spawn it’s own universe. I don’t think Paramount is creative enough to do that, though. Michael Bay or Shane Black could make GI Joe pop. |
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