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05-21-2018, 09:14 PM | #21 |
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I read that somewhere, and I was like "Nope nope nope I never saw this nope nope nope"
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05-21-2018, 11:56 PM | #22 |
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05-22-2018, 11:50 AM | #23 |
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But really having Steeler leading the Joes, people probably woulda been up in arms about it just as much.
I am not and have never been a fan of Marlon Waynes. To me he is the least talented Waynes brother. So naming him "Air Raid" or "Stalker" wouldnt have made a difference to me, I woulda still hated the casting as much as I hated Sienna Miller. While I too thought Wayans was a little (alot) corny the humor is needed. I just don't like when they changed him to Ripcord. I never like it when it happens, but Ripcord was always a more serious Joe to begin with. Had he been Stalker that would have been worse. There are very few black characters so Static-Line might have been better. However Steeler and Static-Line might not be what people expected or pay to see, I don't think it would have turned any of us away. The story could have stayed the same and nothing would have been ruined, since both those Joes are sort of open books. Snake-Eyes is the draw and he was good. Heavy Duty is not Roadblock, so his performance, even transformed into a Brit, doesn't bother me. Breaker I didn't much care for though. I would have rather he been Mainframe, as a homage to Rashid the kid Mainframe and Dusty rescued. Hawk was fine, Scarlett was good, Snake-Eyes was great, Storm Shadow was great. Destro wasn't even all that bad. Zartan was fine. Sgt Stone, added nothing but took nothing away. Cover-Girl dying was a little sad, but didn't ruin it. Baroness as an American sort of took away from the story we know, but worked somewhat. Cobra Commander being her brother-Lame. The whole Rex background was lame. Maybe the second biggest disappointment after Duke to me. Retaliation CC was better but that's a different story. I can see the need to tie Duke to Cobra Commander as a cinematic tool, but i think both portrayals did nothing to add to the two characters that are so well established, and I think what ruined the story most.
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05-22-2018, 11:55 AM | #24 |
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I've done both...doesn't work.
I agree with the elimination of the relationship between Duke, Baroness, and The Doctor. I would've made Marlon Wayans play the role of Airborne. And Cobra Commander would have started out as Cobra Commander and I would've added his back story in the form of flashbacks. And I would have stuck to their 80's style uniforms but upgraded them to a more modern look, I hate the "everybody wears black" idea. Really dumb. I don't think the movie is as bad as people make it out to be. The "movie universe" is not identical to the comics or which ever Joe universe you prefer. They borrowed elements from the 12" line (life-like hair, and a kung-fu grip), comics (the Pitt & others), cartoon (Knowing is half the battle), and I think even Sigma 6 (accelerator suits). So, without re-writing the entire ROC script, the two main things I would do to fix ROC would be to (1) cast a different actor to play Duke and (2) make Cobra Commander's final reveal with his chrome-dome mask. I feel that was probably the biggest let down - to take such an iconic character and change his looks that much. It would be the equivalent to giving Scarlett a flat-top, buzz cut. Jason |
05-22-2018, 12:17 PM | #25 |
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Well, Cobra Commander actually did start out as Cobra Commander (although not "called" Cobra Commander until the end, he was definitely in command of the Neo-Vipers), and his back story was revealed in flashbacks. I mean we all knew that the Doctor was going to turn out to be Cobra Commander.
I don't think the movie is as bad as people make it out to be. The "movie universe" is not identical to the comics or which ever Joe universe you prefer. They borrowed elements from the 12" line (life-like hair, and a kung-fu grip), comics (the Pitt & others), cartoon (Knowing is half the battle), and I think even Sigma 6 (accelerator suits). So, without re-writing the entire ROC script, the two main things I would do to fix ROC would be to (1) cast a different actor to play Duke and (2) make Cobra Commander's final reveal with his chrome-dome mask. I feel that was probably the biggest let down - to take such an iconic character and change his looks that much. It would be the equivalent to giving Scarlett a flat-top, buzz cut. Jason As for the CC chrome-dome, I'm glad they added that in retaliation, but I remember reading somewhere that they didn't want to give him a hood because it would look like a certain group of dudes who wear hoods in real life and don't do nice things who I will not name so I don't break any rules... Still, that has nothing to do with a chrome-dome
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05-22-2018, 12:22 PM | #26 |
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I guess the next question would be which is better? ROC or Retaliation?
My main gripe with Retaliation is the very beginning of the movie, where they wipe out all of GIJOE? That's like 1000's of people. The PITT too? It is just a weak premise to begin the movie. Had they been Action Force in ROC, and dismantled by the governments that formed it in Retaliation then it makes more sense. Then just the one team gets killed, by some worm hole technology, (Tatum as Steeler goes to the World without End and gone for good, same with the Clutch and Grunt we saw). Then Roadblock can seek out Colton to actually form GIJOE. What happened to Hawk and Scarlett? (Maybe they got promoted to the Pentagon, but can come back later) However suspend belief after the opening scene and it's not too bad a movie, as it fits in with the more cartoon aspects of Joe we all know. Good Fun with the razor thin plot lines. The only difference is I would have called Firefly Copperhead and I think the character would have made more sense the way Ray Stevenson played him. The Ninja scenes were great. The Project Zeus device is the sort of stuff we always grew to love about the cartoons. I just realized Matt Gerald was Zandar. I had no idea. He was a great character in the movie. Jinx was great. Warden Nigel James may have been my favorite character. He could have been General Flagg though as a shout-out to the Coffin in DDP comics, where the Joes sent their prisoners. Then if he is killed they can name an Aircraft Carrier after him.
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05-22-2018, 12:26 PM | #27 |
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Gee where to start :
Duke : Change who played him, he wasnt married to Baroness..lets just start with those two Baroness: See above..and make her have her accent. Cobra Commander : Not be related to Baroness. such lazy writing..and not be rex smh Dr Mindbender : Horrid name drop and use.. Zartan: Fine, but to put in credits one of the ppl guarding the prez was Zandar..again lazy writing.. Breaker : Poor Casting..I get the international feeling but he could have been someone we dont really care about ..hardwire etc. Stone: Why ? Ripcord: The blk guy doesnt have to be the comedic coon. and Marlon is a horrid actor. and again make him someone we dont care about Covergirl: why?.. the whole story in truth needed to be redone..get rid of reactor suit crap and give us the og 13 in the first movie. 2nd movie fling, duke , block etc..This movie wasnt made for the fans it def was made for the mike bey lowforhead crowd..
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Now this is where I'm not so sure. I DO NOT like how the GI Joe team is wiped out. Nope nope nope nope nope. Now it is Roadblock and crew. Shouldn't Flint lead? The things it does better than ROC is story. Oh, and ninja fights. Storm Shadow and Snake-eyes were so awesome in Retaliation (and ROC too but cooler in Ret)! Also I liked Joe Colton as I am also a 12 inch fan.
However, ROC feels more like a sunbow episode to me from a plot point of view than Ret. Also, ROC has some nostalgia for me as that was one of the things that brought me into Joes when I was younger. So overall I'm just gonna say they even out, and hopefully Ever Vigilant is better than both of them (and hopefully they cast a new guy as Duke, Duke is my favorite but Channing... welp, they could have casted better...)
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05-22-2018, 12:33 PM | #29 |
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Gee where to start :
Duke : Change who played him, he wasnt married to Baroness..lets just start with those two Baroness: See above..and make her have her accent. Cobra Commander : Not be related to Baroness. such lazy writing..and not be rex smh Dr Mindbender : Horrid name drop and use.. Zartan: Fine, but to put in credits one of the ppl guarding the prez was Zandar..again lazy writing.. Breaker : Poor Casting..I get the international feeling but he could have been someone we dont really care about ..hardwire etc. Stone: Why ? Ripcord: The blk guy doesnt have to be the comedic coon. and Marlon is a horrid actor. and again make him someone we dont care about Covergirl: why?.. the whole story in truth needed to be redone..get rid of reactor suit crap and give us the og 13 in the first movie. 2nd movie fling, duke , block etc..This movie wasnt made for the fans it def was made for the mike bey lowforhead crowd.. Or maybe they can make Star Brigade suits :-)
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05-22-2018, 01:44 PM | #30 |
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I liked the Reactor Suits. That is what Joe is all about. Cutting edge tech. I think you have to leave Duke as dead. I Didn't much care for Roadblock as the team leader either. Not so much that The Rock didn't do a good job, but because it didn't fit the character, and he was outranked, by Lady Jaye!
I think a new team leader has to be brought in. Probably Col Courage, or Col Sharpe. However Captain Claymore or Falcon might be better. I say now that the Joes are back in the good graces of the world, re-org to a small team. Maybe like a Company sized unit. Courage new team CO & Claymore XO, both small parts but with more lines than Stone. Jamie Foxx as Stalker Company Sgt Major. Each remaining member gets their own 12 man team, but maybe only 4 since it could get confusing Falcon Alpha team leader-Whoever plays this needs to steal the show to take over the franchise. Beachhead, Tunnel-Rat, Jinx, Chuckles, Big Lob (Dies a la Jim Brown in dirty Dozen) Lady-Jaye and Flint together Bazooka, Alpine, Quick-Kick, Dusty Roadblock and Gung-Ho Letherneck, Wet-Suit, Outback, Shipwreck Lt. Torpedo Snake-Eyes, Spirit, Recondo, Mutt, (Stalker attaches to this team.) Now who to cast?
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