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06-19-2017, 12:34 PM | #41 |
Crimson Guard
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You know the sad part about this GI Joe Transformer crossover?
Why didn't they just make GI JOE the military organization in all the Michael Bay Transformers movies? Would make introducing GI JOE characters within the movies easy. It's not like Paramount and Hasbro Didn't have the rights back then. Food for thought and a completely missed opportunity in and of itself regardless of quality. |
06-19-2017, 08:33 PM | #42 |
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I do not think the screen is big enough for GI Joe and TF, get MASK and ROM to the recipe and perhaps the Little Ponies and you've got a recipe for the desaster.
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06-19-2017, 09:13 PM | #43 |
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I agree with the overall point that the upcoming GI Joe movie will most likely fail.
There are several factors that point in this direction. 1. Paramount has a horrible track record for making hit movies out of properties. So far in 2017 the following movies have failed: XXX: The Return of Xander Cage: made only $45 million domestically on a $86 million budget. It did make some money internationally due to Donny Yen's popularity in China. Ghost in The Shell: made $40.5 million domestically on a $110 million production budget. Baywatch: made $55 million domestically on a $69 million production budget. 2. Shared Universe mistake The Universal DARK Universe (Monster movies) are off to a colossal failure with the Mummy, and it looks like it will fail miserable since they got a ton of high profile (expensive) actors and don't quite seem to know how to piece them all together. Even the DCEU movies have been less than successfully critically and commercially. The exception so far is Wonder Woman. Yes, Superman Vs. Batman and Man of Steel made some money, but they could have made a lot more money if they had been better executed (Rushing the JLA team up, Doomsday, a horrible Lex Luthor,etc). Only the Marvel Universe has succeeded, and that's because they took the time to carefully plan and set up a shared universe. But Hollywood is rushing in a "Me Too" attitude and want to cash in on their properties without putting in the effort to make a cohesive story. 3. Akiva Goldsmith and Team: Akiva has been milking his Oscar win for "A Beautiful Mind", and parlayed that into a sweet deal w' Paramount and Hasbro. However, he has a lousy track record making action movies (Which GI Joe NEEDS to be). Here's a rundown: Co-Writer - Batman Forever Writer - Batman & Robin Writer - Lost in Space Writer - The Divergent Series: Insurgent Producer - King Arthur: Legend of the Sword My main problem with him besides his inability to write good stories is the fact that he knows nothing about GI Joe (or any of the Hasbro properties) and seems to have no passion or deep connection to the source material. The rest of his writing team is also filled with people with little experience writing movies, and the ones they have made are mediocre or haven't even been released yet. 4. Finally, at Joecon this year it seems from what Darryl D. said that Hasbro is letting Paramount be the main creative director for all the Hasbro properties. This is a BAD idea. Seems like they will handle only the toys and are letting this creative team do whatever they want with little to no outside input. I really do want GI Joe to succeed, but it seems we'll have to wait a long time (2 years) for the next Joe media and toyline to materialize. We'll see what happens, but the outlook doesn't look good at all based on the people/ideas involved. |
06-19-2017, 09:29 PM | #44 |
Iron Grenadier
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What sucks is I always hoped we would get a modern sunbow spin off cartoon series but reality has sunk in that hasbro and their " re-imagining the brand " and their decision to shut down the club clearly implies that hasbro has no interest in anything arah .
What's interesting is that we could argue that ROC felt very "re-imagined" with the accelerator suits , duke banging the baroness, and cc being part of the family . I'm not a huge ROC hater but we all know that film wasn't a huge success. You would think that with the much better critical reception Retaliation had , being more gi joe and all, would of meant that the message to paramount/hasbro would of been ," yes give us more arah gi joe on big screen ". |
06-19-2017, 09:49 PM | #45 |
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What's interesting is that we could argue that ROC felt very "re-imagined" with the accelerator suits , duke banging the baroness, and cc being part of the family . I'm not a huge ROC hater but we all know that film wasn't a huge success. You would think that with the much better critical reception Retaliation had , being more gi joe and all, would of meant that the message to paramount/hasbro would of been ," yes give us more arah gi joe on big screen ".
Further, while the worldwide gross was an improvement (due largely to the 3D conversion that caused the 9 month delay), the domestic grosses were LOWER than Rise of Cobra. All told, there just isn't a wide enough difference between the grosses to garner any meaningful message. There was something there people liked (again, the two films performed nearly the same, financially), but something just didn't click the way it did for Transformers or Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. And that's the big problem: Retaliation didn't do THAT bad, but it didn't do that great either. It's the middle of the road performances that are the worst to analyze because it is near impossible to dissect the two films and find what did and didn't work since both did about the same anyway.
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06-19-2017, 10:31 PM | #46 |
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One reason for optimism is that studios seem to finally be learning that movies that are more closely related to their propertie's source material are received better. Fantasic Four flopped. Deadpool was a hit. WB is even course correcting to lighten their tone.
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06-19-2017, 10:35 PM | #47 |
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And I fully agree with everything you just said, were it not for the stated intention of the makers of this film to move away from the property's source material.
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06-19-2017, 10:40 PM | #48 |
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bottom line, both ROC and retaliation turned a profit and produced some great goddamn action figures. I don't like either movie, will probably never watch them again. but if 2 shitty gi joe movies were successful enough to produce a bunch of cool 4" figures, then keep em coming. when they stop turning a profit then I'll worry.
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06-19-2017, 10:46 PM | #49 |
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"Premature panic is the sign of an immature mind." ;)
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06-19-2017, 10:55 PM | #50 |
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Thanks. That made me laugh, and I think that's what I needed at the moment.
At lease allow me to precede the famous Destro line with the scripted one from Cobra Commander: "You incompetent steel head! Your bumbling has cost me dearly!", because that's what I really want to say to Paramount Pictures and Hasbro Studios right now.
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