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06-15-2009, 01:21 PM | #61 |
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There is no "reality" of G.I. Joe. It's a fantasy scenario. In this fantastical scenario they "brand" their equipment and still remain a covert force.
Beyond that, if the camo is relegated strictly to the Pit, your argument is rendered moot: The only people that would "find out" about G.I. Joe in that case would be people that already know about it (otherwise they wouldn't be in the secret base, natch). Yes, it's a little silly, but it's hardly the "hypocrisy" some are trying to make it out to be. The truth is, we don't know the whole story yet. Maybe G.I. Joe is an "open secret" like the real-world Delta (whom the military -still- does not "officially" acknowledge the existence of). Maybe it's only intended to be a secret until they make their "debut." Who knows? Last edited by Jmacq1; 06-15-2009 at 01:25 PM.. |
06-15-2009, 01:21 PM | #62 |
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Everybody chill out. A few of you are being incendiary because you think it makes you stand out as more perceptive, but really it just makes you look like jerks. Bottom line is, there are lovers and haters, and frankly who gives two poops. Let's have discussion, not fights. Let's be lovers, not fighters. A quiet Frenchman taught me that.* I think his name was Snake-Eyes...
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06-15-2009, 01:22 PM | #63 |
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What was being questioned was your assertion that the movie is somehow hypocritical and you used the camo and that one clip (which isn't even the FULL clip, for all we know Hawk does identify the unit's name later) as you evidence.
As has been pointed out, there is no evidence that the camo appears outside of the base, so saying that the camo makes Joe non-secretive is based on unsupported evidence. All others did by mentioning the RAH and comics was that there is a precedent for Joe's "covert" nature being announced. So the camo in the movie can be seen as a homage/nod to the RAH "overt" identification. I don't think I've heard of any military unit, except for probably Delta or other Special Operations units, removing their unit patches and other such identifiers during deployment. You still wear dog tags don't ya?
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06-15-2009, 01:24 PM | #64 |
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I went looking for other images and even though I knew the Joe logo was there in the camo patterns, I still had to search for it to really find it. How is that "visible"? The whole point of the original post is moot.
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06-15-2009, 01:28 PM | #65 |
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JESUS. the haters are stretching now.
that observation is just plain stupid. |
06-15-2009, 01:31 PM | #66 |
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Flaw, I don't see it. Maybe I am missing your point. Your bashing me gets in the way of any argument that you state. Maybe, your point is not valid as it is not coming across because you are focusing more on an attack than backing your claim. That is your flaw in your posts on the subject. You seam to bash more-so think what is being said though. The fact is that G.I. Joe is an elite best-of-the-best unit.
The fact that Hawk is secretive in telling whom his unit is and the fact that he is the leader, shows hypocrisy when allowing his unit to were the G.I. Logo all over their uniform like a billboard. I did not say that he was wearing the logo in that scene, ever as most seem to infer. Maybe I written it out incorrectly. That is why I have the new sentenced started on the uniform. I was putting the to context (as separate as they are in the scene) together to show the G.I. Joe Hypocrisy.
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06-15-2009, 01:35 PM | #67 |
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But again...if they don't wear the "billboard pajamas" outside of their secret base, they aren't being hypocritical. So far...we haven't seen them wear it outside the base.
Heck, even if they do, the only way anyone's likely to notice is if they're seriously checking them out, and even then there's no context for what "G.I Joe" means. It simply isn't nearly as big an issue as you're making it out to be. |
06-15-2009, 01:39 PM | #68 |
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Jesus has nothing to do with it, and the observation isn't any more "stupid" than your grouping all haters together with the OP.
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06-15-2009, 01:52 PM | #69 |
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I dont honestly care what anyone says, im a JOE fan hipocracy or not...i know like myself millions of ppl are gonna pay to sit and watch it the second it hits the BIG screen and love every second, like a wise man said dont knock it till u tried it
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06-15-2009, 02:52 PM | #70 |
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What was being questioned was your assertion that the movie is somehow hypocritical and you used the camo and that one clip (which isn't even the FULL clip, for all we know Hawk does identify the unit's name later) as you evidence.
As has been pointed out, there is no evidence that the camo appears outside of the base, so saying that the camo makes Joe non-secretive is based on unsupported evidence. All others did by mentioning the RAH and comics was that there is a precedent for Joe's "covert" nature being announced. So the camo in the movie can be seen as a homage/nod to the RAH "overt" identification. I don't think I've heard of any military unit, except for probably Delta or other Special Operations units, removing their unit patches and other such identifiers during deployment. You still wear dog tags don't ya? BTW, as stated, I never stated not tried to imply that the logo was on the camo in that scene. I was explaining the hypocrisy of G.I. Joe being an elite hush-hush unit and displaying the logo all over. The G.I. Joe ARAH story came out in the Marvel ARAH comics first, which apparently you did not read, and in the comics, that is exactly what they were for the first 40 plus comics, a hush-hush unit of the best-of-the-best that not even the military knew about. For the first 2.5 to 3.5 years anyway until the cartoon destroyed the mythos. Also, that remark of dog tags is an insult to anyone that has served. You should be ashamed.
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